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re: Does anybody here believe that Comey ever told Trump he wasn't under investigation?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:32 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:32 pm to buckeye_vol
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I bet he used typical Comey/LEO speak regarding "ongoing investigations," and didn't make any outright claims beyond that. Although I'm sure you could infer that the implication was that he wasn't under investigation.
I'm sure you are right there. Just like he covered his arse with the whole email "investigation"
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Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:34 pm to JuiceTerry
Awesome thread. 
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:34 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Let me ask you a question. Do you really believe Comey is the ONLY person in the FBI that could answer that question?
Does anybody here believe that Comey ever told Trump he wasn't under investigation?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:35 pm to JuiceTerry
As much as you want to believe he didn't, of course he did.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:35 pm to airfernando
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I think the media, liberal "leaders", the FBI, etc are all laughing their heads off at how stupid liberal sheep are to believe any of the Russian propaganda.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:37 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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yes
Primarily because he's not, and never has been
I'm not even sure why this is hard to understand. There are two investigations here.
1. An investigation into alleged criminal behavior by Flynn
2. A national security investigation into any activities taken by Russia into our election.
Now, certainly those two investigations could involve Trump, but he isn't the target of either. THE END
They almost surely do involve Trump. Flynn's under investigation. Comey's alleged that Trump asked for a loyalty pledge and for him to go easy on Flynn. That raises questions of obstruction, raised further after he fired Comey.
Also, I'd amend #1 to include Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who is definitely now under criminal investigation.
Manafort Added to Special Prosecutor Investigation - 6.2.17
As for #2, the special prosecutor is conducting a criminal investigation of Americans, not an investigation of Russian activities per se in the election. The House & Senate subcommittees are handling that. The special prosecutor is supposed to be investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
quote:
The appointment gives Mueller, who led the FBI through the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and served under presidential administrations of both parties, sweeping powers to investigate whether Trump campaign associates colluded with the Kremlin to influence the outcome in his behalf, as well as the authority to prosecute any crimes uncovered during the probe.
Mueller Appointed SP
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:39 pm to JuiceTerry
Trump may be rude and crude but he is a straightforward 'what you see is what you get' person.
Comey on the other hand is polished, sneaky, secretive and deceptive.
So yes, of the two I would tend to believe Trump.
Comey on the other hand is polished, sneaky, secretive and deceptive.
So yes, of the two I would tend to believe Trump.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:43 pm to montanagator
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you don't tell the target of your investigation that he's the target until your sure you have his arse.
If this statement is true, then shouldn't Hillary be in jail? According to her that's why she lost, because Comey announced she was under investigation before the election.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:50 pm to TigerDoc
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Comey's alleged that Trump asked for a loyalty pledge
Not a crime, of no interest to the FBI nor the Special Counsel
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That raises questions of obstruction, raised further after he fired Comey.
no it doesn't because it a FBI investigation is not a judicial process and thus federal obstruction laws do not apply..
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Also, I'd amend #1 to include Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, who is definitely now under criminal investigation.
True, forgot about that dummy
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The special prosecutor is supposed to be investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians.
Incorrect, because COLLUSION is not against the law, and thus of no interest to the Special Counsel.
I will reiterate. I had serious discussions with the Deputy AG about being the Special Counsel, I withdrew my name primarily because I wasn't interested in participating in a shite show of 12 investigations into this, trying to fight for witnesses and evidence, no thanks.
But anyway. You're correct the Special Counsel WILL be looking into whether or not any Americans committed any crmes RE: 2016 election. That's the key word, crimes. Collusion isn't a crime. Nor is there ANY evidence that Trump may have been involved in any collusion anyway, let alone any crimes.
Literally, if the Special Counsel was forwarded a video of Trump and Putin sitting at a fire drinking vodka discussing joining forces to make Hillary look like a pile of shite, that isn't illegal and thus of no interest to him.
I still retain a security clearance, and without revealing much, I will tell you. There is ZERO evidence that suggests Trump himself should be investigated. NONE. And the fcct of the matter is in this country we are not supposed to investigate a target until we find a crime, we investigate crimes until we find a suspect.
You Trump haters are almost certain to be sorely disjointedness hanging your hat on this investigation.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:51 pm to TrueTiger
That's your prerogative. I'd refer you to Trump's interview claiming that he heard it from other people and that Comey arranged a dinner with Trump ( 
) where Comey asked if he was going to keep his job ( ) and he told him he wasn't under investigation. Can't wait for the live tweets.
) where Comey asked if he was going to keep his job ( ) and he told him he wasn't under investigation. Can't wait for the live tweets. 
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:53 pm to JuiceTerry
Lots of speculation there.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:54 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
quote:And I destroyed you on that assertion a few days ago. We aren't investigating a specific target, anyway. Comey would never have told anyone involved in the Trump campaign they weren't under investigation.
And the fcct of the matter is in this country we are not supposed to investigate a target until we find a crime, we investigate crimes until we find a suspect.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:57 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:But that's not what Donald Trump said
Let me ask you a question. Do you really believe Comey is the ONLY person in the FBI that could answer that question?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:58 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Link baw.
And I destroyed you on that assertion a few days ago.
(I am too lazy to look through your posts
)Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:58 pm to JuiceTerry
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And I destroyed you on that assertion a few days ago.
You did not such thing
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We aren't investigating a specific target, anyway
LOL No shite, that's the point I'm making TRUMP isn't the target of a fricking investigation
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Comey would never have told anyone involved in the Trump campaign they weren't under investigation.
You, of course, have no fricking idea if that is true or not.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:59 pm to Wolfhound45
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Link baw.
No liberal on this site, including this guy, destroys me on any topic, least of which a topic on federal investigations LOL
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:00 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
What crime kicked off Iran/Contra? Not what crimes were discovered, but what crime led to the investigation?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:00 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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1. An investigation into alleged criminal behavior by Flynn
2. A national security investigation into any activities taken by Russia into our election.
Comey has specifically stated that there is an active investigation into collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. You all seem to keep conveniently forgetting that.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:00 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:
Comey would never have told anyone involved in the Trump campaign they weren't under investigation.
you dont know shite Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:01 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
As a fellow COL (MSC still on AD), I have a keen interest in your posts. I do not know you but you come across as very knowledgeable. And I have a sort of kinship with JT. We love to needle each other.
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