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Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:48 am to Flats
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The world largely advanced through and because of Western Culture.
That is implicit in what I was saying.
My comment said what you said and more. The wording was intentional.
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e. You can say it; the Woke Police won't come after you.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:50 am to burger bearcat
Our people on average are way more intelligent. And, we were founded on Christian principles, which lends well to a civilized society
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:51 am to GumboPot
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IQ is not the end all be all. High IQs can be used for benevolent or malevolent purposes. For example high malevolent IQ societies can bare the same fruit as poor low IQ but high moral countries.
Sure, but I was specifically responding to a comment about IQ.
In these discussions, especially (and ironically) with low-IQ types, they love to bring up the IQs of the out-group, while having no real comprehension of how IQ is malleable over time.
Populations can develop. It just takes what I discussed.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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My comment said what you said and more. The wording was intentional.
Ok.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:52 am to burger bearcat
Once you understand evil and history going back to 1776, then all the events there forward none of this is surprise. It’s quite clever , and evil. Know who you are and what you stand for….focus on what matters
This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 8:53 am
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
You provide far and away the best explanation and garner 3 downvotes to zero.
A general consensus based on Western culture and values is the key. I love our Constitutional system, and it has served us very well, but other systems also can work well if the culture is there. See, essentially, Western Europe and their parliamentary systems. More autocratic regimes can also work in the sense that they allow for improved material conditions for the majority of their people, see e.g. China, but you have to be jake with the inability to criticize the government, run a meaningful opposition candidate, etc.
A general consensus based on Western culture and values is the key. I love our Constitutional system, and it has served us very well, but other systems also can work well if the culture is there. See, essentially, Western Europe and their parliamentary systems. More autocratic regimes can also work in the sense that they allow for improved material conditions for the majority of their people, see e.g. China, but you have to be jake with the inability to criticize the government, run a meaningful opposition candidate, etc.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 8:59 am to Feelthebarn
"Our people on average are way more intelligent."
More intelligent than whom? IQ matters, but it's far more malleable over time than many on this board seem to think. For example, Thomas Sowell wrote about this with regard to Jewish immigrants to the US. Also, Asian countries have the highest average IQ's but were well behind Europe and the US until quite recently. IQ is not the be-all, end-all.
More intelligent than whom? IQ matters, but it's far more malleable over time than many on this board seem to think. For example, Thomas Sowell wrote about this with regard to Jewish immigrants to the US. Also, Asian countries have the highest average IQ's but were well behind Europe and the US until quite recently. IQ is not the be-all, end-all.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:00 am to burger bearcat
No, Hitler thought Ukraine did.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:04 am to burger bearcat
Nope, they actually don’t have the same constitutional government we do. As far back as the mid-19th Century, immigrants have come to America because of its freedoms
and economic opportunity, neither of which are matched in immigrants’
country of origin.
and economic opportunity, neither of which are matched in immigrants’
country of origin.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:08 am to burger bearcat
It's definitely cultural. Nobody bats an eye when a kid struggles because he comes from a broken home. Or because he's growing up poor and malnourished as a result.
When you scale this to a societal level, a line apparently gets crossed somewhere along the way and pointing out cultural issues becomes "racist"
As mentioned in other places, these countries typically have corrupt governments, fragile economies, and a high % of the population that struggles to make rational decisions because they are worried about their next meal.
When you scale this to a societal level, a line apparently gets crossed somewhere along the way and pointing out cultural issues becomes "racist"
As mentioned in other places, these countries typically have corrupt governments, fragile economies, and a high % of the population that struggles to make rational decisions because they are worried about their next meal.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:08 am to VOR
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Nope, they actually don’t have the same constitutional government we do.
Why do we have this constitutional government you speak of?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:13 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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Also, Asian countries have the highest average IQ's but were well behind Europe and the US until quite recently. IQ is not the be-all, end-all.
They refuse to understand this for...personal reasons.
Much of Asia was a literal rural-farming backwater well after WW2. China, Taiwan, India, etc. were on the same intellectual and developmental level as Central America and SSA. People think of an industrialized Japan in WW2 as some Western equal, and they were an outlier and still largely undeveloped. They were just more developed than the rest of Asia at the time (due to early adopting of industrialization).
The story of Taiwan should be very illuminating to people like OP.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:13 am to Feelthebarn
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Our people on average are way more intelligent. And, we were founded on Christian principles, which lends well to a civilized society
This
Judaeo Christian culture is the unique causal factor of the success. The USA still retains momentum from the founding culture and priorities, given by God. The USA is the most successful nation in history and wealthiest. However, cracks are showing in the foundation because we are losing our culture and re-ordering our priorities.
Trust in IQ, natural resources, charismatic personality, information, money, government, Socialism, Marxism, false Gods, etc, have doomed or choked off the success of every nation.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:16 am to Flats
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The world has developed because of Western culture. It didn't just magically develop where Western Culture happened to hold sway.
It helped we had a bunch of cheap energy to grow. We'll see how civil, virtuous, and creative we are if that comes to an end.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:19 am to Bunk Moreland
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It helped we had a bunch of cheap energy to grow. We'll see how civil, virtuous, and creative we are if that comes to an end.
This is a major reason why I chose my words the way I did.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:20 am to bizeagle
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However, cracks are showing in the foundation because we are losing our culture and re-ordering our priorities.
What explains the moral degradation of the 80s and 90s?
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:23 am to Bunk Moreland
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It helped we had a bunch of cheap energy to grow. We'll see how civil, virtuous, and creative we are if that comes to an end.
The Middle East would like a word. I think Russia might want to be part of that conversation as well.
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:23 am to N.O. via West-Cal
I didn't say IQ was the be all end all. You left out half my post. I also said that we were founded on Christian principles. Couple that with more intelligent people, and you have the greatest country in the history of mankind.
Haitians and Zimbabweans, its pretty obvious why they have never been civilized. It's another one of those "racist" facts. Guatemala is much the same with probably half their population being indigenous, and of lower intelligence than more advanced societies.
Syria is made up of 90% Muslims, so you'll never see a civilized society there, because Muslims are a violent, savage people that worship a pedophile false prophet.
IQ and Christianity are what has made America great, and there's no way to dispute that
Haitians and Zimbabweans, its pretty obvious why they have never been civilized. It's another one of those "racist" facts. Guatemala is much the same with probably half their population being indigenous, and of lower intelligence than more advanced societies.
Syria is made up of 90% Muslims, so you'll never see a civilized society there, because Muslims are a violent, savage people that worship a pedophile false prophet.
IQ and Christianity are what has made America great, and there's no way to dispute that
Posted on 3/13/24 at 9:24 am to burger bearcat
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Or perhaps, was it the people who setup our original Constitution and founding? Could it be something special about them that created the circumstances?
It's always the people, albeit malicious 'rulers' at the top of a particular cultural ideology, politics and/or religion can essentially manipulate the Culture and therein the people, toward their desired ends.
If one chooses to believe in the God Paradigm, then one accepts the premise that God controls everything re "the hairs on your head are numbered", nws the 'free will' conundrum. Such 'control v free will' is rationalized/justified as Truth in that both can and do indeed coexist, as God knows the future re what free-willed individuals will choose, but signs off on it, and therein lets people experience the consequences of their free-willed choice.
Per the above, THE most important aspect of our whole spiritual and worldly societal dilemma is WHY would God put some people in a 120 IQ brain and a stable and loving family, and another in a hellacious childhood scenario. If God is true to it's professed Word (Truth), then the criterion for such is that an individual will "reap according to that which they sew". We ALL agree that such is Just, but many - given their dire circumstance - ignore it and embrace evil to further their own desperate and selfish ends.
Bottom line: the essence of Religion is the idea that we live beyond this single life, albeit in a 'new' form...and that such form will be determined not by the willy-nilly Will of God, but by God's Promise to that which He/It created...such being OUR belief and action. Karma principle, in effect.
If desperate people being born into hellacious scenarios BELIEVED that they will exist in another and much better life IF they go all in on being a more loving individual in this life, they and all of humanity would be on the road to 'Heaven'. But if desperate people do not believe in another and better life...guess what...massive Envy, "Cain and Able" and horrendous "wailing and gnashing of teeth".
While it is true that we cannot "legislate morality", it is further true that the kind of Culture which the 'Rulers' create will be the determinative factor as to societal prosperity re "the pursuit of happiness".
Coerced DEI is fool's gold, IMO. It seeks to assuage Envy by equalizing outcomes, and denying the essential idea of MERIT for extraordinary effort, while offering reward for minimal or no effort. God's Word warns of this: "Behold, there is a way which seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". We'll see what AI has to say about this, pretty soon. That will be interesting. I can't wait to ask it about Jesus.
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