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re: Do you honestly believe we are Independent?

Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:39 pm to
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be more specific?


Hats what I'm asking of you. I'm living the life I want.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:40 pm to
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What percent then
Less than 100

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And what percent would you say is acceptable?
closer to 100
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467878 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:42 pm to
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we live comfortably in the states but we are not necessarily free.

we're not "free" but we're more free than pretty much anywhere else, especially when you limit it to developed, stable nations

if you limit the discussion to stable, developed countries the list isn't that long

US, UK, France, Germany, NED, Belgium, Switzerland, Austria, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Icleand (pushing it) Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, and Austrailia is probably the list (Spain and Italy are on the verge of collapse but you can list them if you want). i went off memory but that's probably the best list on the fly

the US is the most free of those countries
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:43 pm to
well you have to go to school by law until you are 16 or 18 without parents permission

if i wanted to build a shack somewhere in BFE id still have to pay property taxes and id still have to pay a water bill because collecting rainwater and putrfying yourself is illegal

there is also massive pressure to go to college if you want to be successful (enjoy those thousands of $$ worth of loans)

our political system is a sham. i mean i could go on
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:44 pm to
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And what percent would you say is acceptable?



closer to 100
So does that mean you feel we are not independent?
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:45 pm to
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This board fascinates me.


yup. pretty much

the elite have made it so we are constantly fighting "left vs right" - that way they remain in control.

when in reality its the 0.1% vs the rest of us slaves who think we are free because we get to buy a new iphone every year and a mocha latte at starbucks each morning

Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:46 pm to
All these Sheeple with the personal attacks doing the biddin foe the Cabal. Doing exactly what they want them to do, being led around by their noses. One day y'all will realize Tx Tiger is the most enlightened poster here. Hope it isn't too late.
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:48 pm to
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we live comfortably in the states but we are not necessarily free.


we're not "free" but we're more free than pretty much anywhere else, especially when you limit it to developed, stable nations

I wonder if that's an honest assessment, or if it's just a convenient excuse we've been told to believe so that we continue to keep the wheels greased?

I mean, that's what I tend to believe, but how would I know - I've never lived anywhere else.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:49 pm to
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the US is the most free of those countries



debateable

if i lose income and my family (kids/wife) has cancer im pretty much f-d for life
I could get sued for anything under the sun and lose 6 figures just like that
i could get divorce raped - RIP
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467878 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:50 pm to
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I wonder if that's an honest assessment, or if it's just a convenient excuse we've been told to believe so that we continue to keep the wheels greased?

i mean you can read the laws and regulations in areas like Western Europe. they're not a secret

and if your theory about an international banking system is true, then your comment has no real, rational weight in responding to my comment. if your statement is true, i'm just discussing which slave state is the most free.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
107393 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:50 pm to
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Name me a country that has more freedom than we do.


Sweden is so free that refugees can rape all the women they want with no consequences.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44453 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:51 pm to
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I mean, that's what I tend to believe, but how would I know - I've never lived anywhere else.


Then listen to those of us who've lived in other countries when we tell you the US, while not perfect by any stretch, is by far the most free.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:52 pm to
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while not perfect by any stretch, is by far the most free.



quit with the propaganda

we have the most comfortable lifestyles, but we are certainly not the most free
Posted by TX Tiger
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Member since Jan 2004
38182 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

This board fascinates me.



yup. pretty much

the elite have made it so we are constantly fighting "left vs right" - that way they remain in control.

when in reality its the 0.1% vs the rest of us slaves who think we are free because we get to buy a new iphone every year and a mocha latte at starbucks each morning


Exactly.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467878 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:53 pm to
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if i lose income and my family (kidsm wife) has cancer im pretty much f-d for life

we have Medicaid if you lose income

if you're not that poor, you have enough income for health insurance

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I could get sued for anything under the sun and lose 6 figures just like that

do you think civil lawsuits are restricted to the US?

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i could divorce raped - RIP

do you think unequal economic division post-divorce is a concept restricted to the US?

hell in Canada, lesbians have sued a comic for making a joke they didn't like and won a ton of money

hell go read the story of Dave Foley and how the Canadian system raped him

and mentioning both of these stories makes me realize Canada wasn't on the list (and it obviously is on the list)
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44453 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:54 pm to
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we have the most comfortable lifestyles, but we are certainly not the most free


Yes, we are. Name another country that you consider more free and why.

And having government-provided healthcare is not freedom, so don't even go down that path.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467878 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:54 pm to
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we have the most comfortable lifestyles, but we are certainly not the most free

who is more free?

you're speaking in generalities but aren't giving any comparative evidence to allow an analysis
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
107393 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:55 pm to
Poor TX Tiger, you can't even see the way rocket is managing you for the benefit of the elites.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
74558 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:55 pm to
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We are owned by the Federal Reserve and the International Banking Cabal. We are run by crony capitalism. Seriously, who are we independent of?


This country is bigger than you seem to think. Its not just banking, Wall st, politicians, DC, tweets and reading post.

Plenty of Americans live where they wish, do what they want and many live off the grid. Mountain folk, some on the plains, the outback of Alaska or people who spend much of their lives on the water all I think would take exception to your words.

Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:57 pm to
i mean this context specific

i could frick a goat, while smoking a joint and banging a prostitute in front of a police officer in Holland

welcome to america - cant even have a beer until im 21 (JUST LOL)
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 12:59 pm
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