re: Do the math. It is almost impossible for an American to die of COVID-19.

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We are doing the math, and the math says that the "almost impossible" happens over 2000 times per day. This "almost impossible" cause of death has been the #1 cause of death in the US for a few weeks now. 

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frick off with your falsified data.

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You can argue that it's not worth the shutdown, and I would probably agree with you. But all of these simpleton stats don't help.

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Yet you use simpleton stats to state your case.

Hypocrisy much?

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bfniii

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In order for your argument to have a single leg to stand on, health departments and/or the CDC must be creating death certificates out of thin air. This should be easy to prove.

You think a misrepresentation of what Birx said "completely proves" me wrong? You don't have a fricking clue what you're even arguing at this point.

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you want to keep plugging away at some stupid strawman that has nothing to do with anything

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here's a question that i know you will not answer directly

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Says the guy who refuses to answer my simple question directly.

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is birx wrong? yes or no.

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About what?

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that's the point of the op and the entire thread

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No, no it's not. It's hard to fathom the stupidity or dishonesty required to suggest that it is.

Do you plan to address the fact that there are tens of thousands of excess deaths per week or not?

korkstand HAS to mean titanic in some language.

Oh, and you keep talking about Birx as if I give a frick. I have never, not once, used anything Birx has said as evidence of anything whatsoever. You, on the other hand, have a strange fixation with her. You ridicule anything she says that you don't believe, and then you use her word as gospel when you think it backs up what you believe. fricking insane.

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this is still off topic.

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The topic is how many people are dying of covid. You don't believe the media, you don't believe the CDC, you don't believe individual state health departments. I'm trying to make this simple for you. You think deaths are being misattributed to covid. I'm telling you let's forget about that because you just simply will not believe those facts. Instead, I'm telling you let's just look at ALL DEATHS per week and deduce what's going on, logically. But you refuse to use logic or common sense.

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the experts just can't understand what level you are reasoning at.

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You are picking and choosing your "experts". I just look at the data.

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she and other experts are questioning the very premise you are arguing for. but i get that you don't understand that.

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Show me where she is questioning total death data.

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all i did was quote her

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Why don't you quote the numerous times she has reported projected death totals? Also, not only were you the first person to mention Birx in this thread, but through 13 pages you are the ONLY person to mention her (aside from me replying to your dumb arse). You are fixated.

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You ridicule anything she says that you don't believe

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link that. find a quote where i did that.

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She said deaths due to covid will be six figures best case, and 1-2 million worst case. It's hard to find a post of yours where you *don't* ridicule these things.

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You don't believe the media

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the media is just parroting the numbers given to them.

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you don't believe the CDC

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it's not that people don't believe the cdc. it's the methodology that they have published is producing a mortality count that might include deaths not related to c19. you know, like the quote i cited.

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you don't believe individual state health departments

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well, pennsylvania did retract some deaths. i wonder if other states need to follow suit.

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I'm telling you let's forget about that because you just simply will not believe those facts

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misrepresentation of the doubts about the numbers

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I'm telling you let's just look at ALL DEATHS per week

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not necessary

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you refuse to use logic or common sense

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says the person who can't even understand what's being said. how about you not continually misrepresent what you are responding to and not try to derail the conversation before you go and accuse others of not understanding

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You are picking and choosing your "experts". I just look at the data

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so the experts aren't looking at the data. "i'm right and the whole world is wrong."

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Show me where she is questioning total death data

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you've already posted in that thread. you know where it is.

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Why don't you quote the numerous times she has reported projected death totals?

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that has nothing to do with anything. my word you are all over the place. "birx and others" are questioning the mortality numbers because of the methodology. it's a direct quote.

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not only were you the first person to mention Birx in this thread, but through 13 pages you are the ONLY person to mention her

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it just got reported. there's a whole thread dedicated to that one quote from her that you have posted in so i have no idea where this garbage is coming from.

you have got to be the most asperger's person in the whole world. you are worse than aggiehank, ibchinaman and 90npc combined.

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It's hard to find a post of yours where you *don't* ridicule these things

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so you can't find the direct quote from me. that's all you had to say.

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She said deaths due to covid will be six figures best case, and 1-2 million worst case

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i couldn't care less about any of this and that's part of the problem. in an effort to not look stupider than you already do, you keep trying to derail the conversation. fortunately for you, i'm smart enough to not get distracted by your bullcrap.

i'll ask again, when birx and co say that the mortality count could possibly be inflated by as much as 25%, are they wrong and how do you know? it's a yes or no question

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if you think

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not me. the experts cited to you

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the methodology is so wrong as to be useless

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no one is saying this. you are still making things up.

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let's look at the all-cause data and draw our own conclusions

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still not necessary. it has nothing to do with the topic.

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latching onto cherry-picked shite

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aka quoting the cdc methodology and the experts. just verbatim quotes. nothing else.

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you just keep piling all this shite into your posts

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pot, meet kettle. i have not done this. i keep trying to drag you back to one simple, facile set of quotes and you keep trying to drag a bunch of irrelevancies into the conversation. no one cares about your stupid death certificate bullcrap red herring.

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You have no focus

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i am laser focused on the quotes from the experts. you said you "don't care" and that they are "irrelevant." of course you would say that. you're piloting the titanic.

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Every post of yours in this thread. Literally every single one ridicules Birx's own estimations

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none of this has anything to do with reality. none of it. not one ounce. you are simply lying at this point. i have at no point made any comment about "birx's estimations" and i couldn't care less about that. this is the stupidity we're dealing with.

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a quote for which we have little context

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there we go. i knew this was coming. now that you are faced with this testimony, it "lacks context." DID YOU READ THE QUOTE? no "context" is necessary. it is self explanatory.

here it is again:
"they worried was inflating some statistics — such as mortality rate and case count — by as much as 25 percent"

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And it didn't say "mortality count" as you have misrepresented (lied about), rather it says "mortality rate" and "case count"

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this is what you're crawfishing to again? more bullcrap semantics. you absolutely can give aggiehank, ibchina and 90npc a run for their money. these threads are now legendary.

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nowhere does it say that the death counts are inflated

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wait, are you trying to say that this whole time you have been thinking i was referring to the TOTAL NUMBER OF DEAD PEOPLE? please tell me you're not that stupid. there's no way you've been confused about this the whole time. you think i've been saying there are less dead people than there actually are?!?!? wow. astonishing.

i have been explaining to you in plain english for dozens of posts what the ACTUAL issue is. you've been cited experts. and now you're saying you've been wrong about a semantic issue the whole time. even aggiehank isn't this stupid.

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more bullcrap semantics

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It's not semantics, it's reading comprehension.

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wait, are you trying to say that this whole time you have been thinking i was referring to the TOTAL NUMBER OF DEAD PEOPLE?

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That is the only way the misattributed deaths narrative can make any sense. The theory is that the covid deaths reported by the media are being "borrowed" from other CoD's. If that is the case, we wouldn't see anything out of the ordinary in the total death numbers. But we do.

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you think i've been saying there are less dead people than there actually are?!?!? wow. astonishing.

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You don't understand that this is the direct implication of your argument? Astonishing.

See my post in the other thread.