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re: Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:26 pm to ibldprplgld
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:26 pm to ibldprplgld
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And even in basic research methodology courses one of the basic and fundamental principles of statistics that is taught over and over again is that correlation does not equal causation
Did I claim causation?
Because you're talking about a psychological response to a trauma, establishing a causation is impossible. You denying the possibility of causation is as legitimate as claiming a causation.
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:27 pm to uway
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They SEEM to bring a lot of drama.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:29 pm to ibldprplgld
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This is demonstrably false, and I'm not aware of any scientific research that confirms or supports this claim. PLEASE cite your sources for your claim.
This is complete ignorance derived and irreversible given your personal emotions on the topic
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:37 pm to HubbaBubba
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They live their entire lives lying to themselves that they are normal.
I bet you’re just so normal, good buddy.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:53 pm to WesternChauvinist
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The prog gays certainly do, which is probably 98% of all gays.
I don’t think this is true. I think what you see are flamboyant gays who wear their sexuality like a badge of honor and they tend to be liberals. Meanwhile, homosexuals who aren’t interested in defining themselves by their sexuality and who would rather be taken seriously by friends and colleagues and who are comfortable in their own skin tend to be conservative. I would say the same for heterosexuals. Progressives in a general sense tend to function more out of emotion and are more prone to theatrics while conservatives tend to work from reason and be more low key. Obviously these are broad stereotypes and not true for everyone on either end of the spectrum. Still, I think it’s fair to say you bump into conservative, gay Americans all the time without ever realizing it.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 7:50 am to Turbeauxdog
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Did I claim causation?
Without using the term "causation," yes, that's exactly what you did.
One poster alleged this:
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If a child is abused sexually as a child, they are likely going to have issues with sex as they grow older, in some cases this will result in homosexuality where maybe they wouldn't have been gay without the abuse.
I responded this:
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This is demonstrably false, and I'm not aware of any scientific research that confirms or supports this claim. PLEASE cite your sources for your claim.
And then you jumped in with this:
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I mean pretty sure it's common knowledge
While you didn't say causation, you agreed with the above poster who claimed sexual assault sometimes results in homosexuality. Saying X will result from Y means causation. Unless your previous statement agreeing with that poster was inaccurate.
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Because you're talking about a psychological response to a trauma, establishing a causation is impossible.
It's not actually. Trends and data points with victims of different types of psychological traumas and resulting responses can be established. What do you the think the DSM is based on? It's all statistics and research based and does establish causal relationships between some types of traumas and resulting disorders with consensus.
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You denying the possibility of causation is as legitimate as claiming a causation.
I'm not denying the possibility of causation -- something must cause it, but according to everything I've read and the clear lack of consensus on the matter, it's disingenuous to claim something that has not been proven is "common knowledge" as you did.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 8:01 am to OleManDixon
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I don’t think this is true. I think what you see are flamboyant gays who wear their sexuality like a badge of honor and they tend to be liberals. Meanwhile, homosexuals who aren’t interested in defining themselves by their sexuality and who would rather be taken seriously by friends and colleagues and who are comfortable in their own skin tend to be conservative. I would say the same for heterosexuals. Progressives in a general sense tend to function more out of emotion and are more prone to theatrics while conservatives tend to work from reason and be more low key. Obviously these are broad stereotypes and not true for everyone on either end of the spectrum. Still, I think it’s fair to say you bump into conservative, gay Americans all the time without ever realizing it.
Pretty good assessment here.
I will say that my progressive gay friends politicize everything, similar to my progressive straight friends. They both tend to view everything through a political lens, therefore a lot of their stances and causes are also very politically charged.
One thing that is common though: they are always trying to ascribe victim status to someone that they must then ride in on a white stallion to save like it's their duty. And the victim status is never a result personal choices, but always a result of some form of overt racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. It's odd.
I will say this though: progressive gays in particular push this victim card over and over again because they know once they are no longer viewed as a marginalized group, they will lose their clout and soapbox. And FWIW, I'd make the argument gays are anything but a marginalized group today -- it's very much a privileged group in many ways, IMO.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:27 am to ibldprplgld
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If a child is abused sexually as a child, they are likely going to have issues with sex as they grow older, in some cases this will result in homosexuality where maybe they wouldn't have been gay without the abuse.
I responded this:
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This is demonstrably false, and I'm not aware of any scientific research that confirms or supports this claim. PLEASE cite your sources for your claim.
You honestly don't realize how much of an idiot you sound like when you say that it is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE that SOME victims of sexual abuse grow up to be screwed up sexually?
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 9:28 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:47 am to KeyserSoze999
Someone brought up a great point: If gender and sexual attraction are fluid, doesn't that mean that gay conversion therapy is a legit thing?
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:04 am to oogabooga68
I believe in conversation therapy because, well, it has worked, then some gay person will come along and call bs and that the person is still gay inside. People, especially gays are stubborn in that way because they somehow see it as an attack on who they are. There’s no doubt in my mind that people can be enfluenced and therefore ‘learned’ in a behavior. And on the other end of the spectrum, people engage in a certain sexual way, not necessarily homosexuality, and then the proclivity grows in that direction. You can factor endless environmental factors from drugs to prisons to domineering mothers, but to deny fluidity is simply close minded, IMO.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:14 am to KeyserSoze999
Do unrepentant sinners sin more frequently than repentant sinners?
That would be a "yes."
You're trying to apply the rules of human reasons to animals behaving in a fundamentally anti-human way. Doesn't work all that well.
As far as all you silly heterosexual atheists/humanists who were fooled by the love is love garbage...
That would be a "yes."
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Someone brought up a great point: If gender and sexual attraction are fluid, doesn't that mean that gay conversion therapy is a legit thing?
You're trying to apply the rules of human reasons to animals behaving in a fundamentally anti-human way. Doesn't work all that well.
As far as all you silly heterosexual atheists/humanists who were fooled by the love is love garbage...
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 10:18 am
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:00 am to ManBearTiger
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You honestly don't realize how much of an idiot you sound like when you say that it is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE that SOME victims of sexual abuse grow up to be screwed up sexually?
Well, that's not what I said. Reading comprehension, you should give it a try.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:03 am to KeyserSoze999
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I believe in conversation therapy because, well, it has worked, then some gay person will come along and call bs and that the person is still gay inside. People, especially gays are stubborn in that way because they somehow see it as an attack on who they are. There’s no doubt in my mind that people can be enfluenced and therefore ‘learned’ in a behavior. And on the other end of the spectrum, people engage in a certain sexual way, not necessarily homosexuality, and then the proclivity grows in that direction. You can factor endless environmental factors from drugs to prisons to domineering mothers, but to deny fluidity is simply close minded, IMO.
Wow. Just speechless...
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:19 am to ibldprplgld
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Wow. Just speechless...
This thread is hilarious.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:22 am to KeyserSoze999
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Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?
I'm surprised this thread is still up.
Wait...no I'm not.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:32 am to Duke
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This thread is hilarious.
It really is. I've learned that gay men who are out of the closet are some of the only people who live their real truth. The rest are gay but have mastered faking it as hetero.
I'm not sure that was what the op was going for.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:45 am to KeyserSoze999
Yes, in general gay men are more narcissistic, attention seeking, and hedonistic.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:51 am to KeyserSoze999
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environmental trigger=learned behavior
That's just flat out wrong.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:55 am to ibldprplgld
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If a child is abused sexually as a child, they are likely going to have issues with sex as they grow older, in some cases this will result in homosexuality where maybe they wouldn't have been gay without the abuse.
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This is demonstrably false, and I'm not aware of any scientific research that confirms or supports this claim. PLEASE cite your sources for your claim.
-ibldprplgld
My reading comprehension is fine, explain how it is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE that childhood victims of sexual abuse are likely to be afflicted with confusion related to sexuality as the grow older, including homosexuality?
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:57 am to Antonio Moss
So what is the trigger triggering? The mind where learning takes place or some genetic mutation. I get it, you’re dug in, and you know more than the rest of us.
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