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re: Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?

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Posted by KeyserSoze999
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:01 pm to
Yeah why no censorship?
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:03 pm to
Gay adults absolutely hate the scientifically sound notion that they are the way they are because of experiences they've lived through. They want to be able to say it's the fault of a fantastic "gay gene," a theory with absolutely no scientific backing.

They have to say this because they're so dug in on multiple identitarian fronts and wish to retain "victimhood of dna" status.

They also have a vested interested in promoting homoseuality to younger generations, both for future potential romantic partners as well as to avoid being historically labeled as mentally abnormal.


I agree "conversion therapy" works, but not in the way the mainstream portrays these programs. A great many young people are confused about their sexuality as their hormones are going crazy in addition to being inundated with conflicting messages about human sexuality by the MSM.

Most individuals who identify as "gay" while still going through puberty are simply confused and would benefit psychologically from some "straight" talk.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:04 pm to
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So what is the trigger triggering?


Behavioral realization based on predisposition.

A trigger can be a wide variety of things; its not a learned behavior. For instance, the offspring of two tall parents will most likely be predisposed to being a tall adult when grown. Yet, environment can alter this predisposition or, conversely, help aid its realization. So if the child predisposed for height has a restricted diet, or improper nutrition, there is a good chance that the disposed height is never realized. That is not a learned behavior.


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I get it, you’re dug in,


Not really. I'm always open to reading new studies or schools of thought - none of which have been posted here.

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and you know more than the rest of us.


If the shoe fits . . .
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:15 pm to
I'm cool with no censorship, but that isn't the case.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:15 pm to
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Our findings indicated that sexual abuse may increase the likelihood of the three dimensions of same-sex sexuality for both sexes, and that non-sexual maltreatment may affect sexual orientation identity and women’s same-sex sexual partnering.



LINK

Read this entire study if you need to be fully convinced of the strong relationship between sexual abuse and sexual confusion.
Posted by piggilicious
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:20 pm to
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Our findings indicated that sexual abuse may increase the likelihood


is not the same as:

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Gay adults absolutely hate the scientifically sound notion that they are the way they are because of experiences they've lived through.




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. A great many young people are confused about their sexuality as their hormones are going crazy in addition to being inundated with conflicting messages about human sexuality by the MSM.



Do tell what kinky stuff you did in college.


Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 12:20 pm to
I've read the study. It's probably correct and doesn't dispute any point I've made in this thread. In fact, if anything, it strengthens my position.

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Our results suggest that causal relationships driving the association between sexual orientation and childhood abuse may be bidirectional, may differ by type of abuse, and may differ by sex.


The conclusion is important.

The study is isolating significant environmental triggers found within homosexual identity yet those triggers, specifically sexual abuse, was only present in a small minority (>20%) of homosexuals surveyed by the study.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:07 pm to
It does nothing to strengthen your "environmental trigger" idea which hinges on homosexuality being encoded into certain individuals' dna
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Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:08 pm to
Obviously those are not the same points. Keep up my man.

I've provided evidence that there is a substantive link between abuse in childhood and sexual confusion in adulthood. Can anyone disputing that provide their own evidence?
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 1:10 pm
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:24 pm to
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-ibldprplgld


My reading comprehension is fine, explain how it is DEMONSTRABLY FALSE that childhood victims of sexual abuse are likely to be afflicted with confusion related to sexuality as the grow older, including homosexuality?


No, it's not. Do you see the phrase that I quoted in bold: in some cases this will result in homosexuality where maybe they wouldn't have been gay without the abuse.

That is the phrase that is demonstrably false. Being abused as a child does not make you a homosexual, but it can influence one's capacity for intimacy and relationships, but that does not include orientation. Every modern mental health organization holds this stance.

There is some correlation between LGBT people and abuse, but the relationship is different than the one you are (erroneously) trying to push. It is known that children who are perceived as gay or lesbian are at higher risk of being targeted by abusers, specifically boys.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:26 pm to
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It does nothing to strengthen your "environmental trigger" idea which hinges on homosexuality being encoded into certain individuals' dna


Sure it does. If not, then explain the 80%+ of homosexual individuals without historical sexual trauma.
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:28 pm to
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I've provided evidence that there is a substantive link between abuse in childhood and sexual confusion in adulthood.


In a very small portion of the homosexual community . . .

Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:44 pm to
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Gay adults absolutely hate the scientifically sound notion that they are the way they are because of experiences they've lived through. They want to be able to say it's the fault of a fantastic "gay gene," a theory with absolutely no scientific backing.

They have to say this because they're so dug in on multiple identitarian fronts and wish to retain "victimhood of dna" status.

They also have a vested interested in promoting homoseuality to younger generations, both for future potential romantic partners as well as to avoid being historically labeled as mentally abnormal.


There is so much bullshite here, I don't even know where to start. Just stop posting. You have no idea what you're talking about and you have no idea what science says and doesn't say about the causal factors of homosexuality.

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I agree "conversion therapy" works, but not in the way the mainstream portrays these programs. A great many young people are confused about their sexuality as their hormones are going crazy in addition to being inundated with conflicting messages about human sexuality by the MSM.


If by "Works" you mean mental and sometimes physical torture perpetuated on young people; tearing them down and destroying them emotionally; dramatically increasing their risk of actual mental disorders and suicide all so small minded ignorant people like you can feel more comfortable about who someone else is because you just can't mind your own business, then sure...it works in some perverse, grotesque way.

What it doesn't do is change someone's orientation. The overwhelming majority (read that as, ALL) of the modern American medical and mental health organizations have rejected this therapy: they call it unnecessary, ineffective, and dangerous --in some cases fatal. But yeah, if it makes you fell better then sure, why not?

The American Psychological Association: “advises parents, guardians, young people, and their families to avoid sexual orientation change efforts that portray homosexuality as a mental illness or developmental disorder and to seek psychotherapy, social support, and educational services that provide accurate information on sexual orientation and sexuality, increase family and school support, and reduce rejection of sexual minority youth.”

The American Psychiatric Association: “opposes any psychiatric treatment such as reparative or conversion therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that a patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.”

The American Academy of Pediatrics: “therapy directed at specifically changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation.”

Please tell me how you know more than the professionals at these organizations. I'm all ears to see your credentials.

Since you seem so certain it works, let's try it on you, and see if you can convert to gay. I mean, if it works, we can just "undo" it, right?
Posted by Duke
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:46 pm to
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I've read the study. It's probably correct and doesn't dispute any point I've made in this thread. In fact, if anything, it strengthens my position.



The study isn't even drawing a strong conclusion, and doesn't dispute your point either.

Conference intervals are fairly wide, thanks the small sample. Then they spend the discussion talking about how conflated all the variables are despite their best efforts to isolate. "Strong evidence"

It's pretty simple, you've got no studies that can draw a direct link to simply environmental factors and homosexuality. You won't ever. So you conclude there's something else at play too, likely a genetic predisposition based on a litany of genes. Just like height is based on a multitude of genes working together.

Guess that's hard to square with thinking there's something wrong with being gay.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:54 pm to
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I've provided evidence that there is a substantive link between abuse in childhood and sexual confusion in adulthood. Can anyone disputing that provide their own evidence?


This link of yours sounds a lot like "70% of murderers eat ice cream, therefore people who eat ice cream are also murderers."

There's a term for that, but I can't remember what it is. Do you remember?
Posted by rilesrick
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:55 pm to
Without a doubt .I have a few family members who are gay. The lead very tormented lives full of drama and deception. I really don't think they can help it, its just who they are.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:57 pm to


My friends are gay. My family is gay. So obviously I know what gay people are thinking and what they go through.
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 1:59 pm to
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Sure it does. If not, then explain the 80%+ of homosexual individuals without historical sexual trauma.


well, perfect segue back to the original question of the thread....

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Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?






Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:03 pm to
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but wanting to destroy the two parent family unit


TIL that my divorced parents are mentally ill
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 2:06 pm to
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well, perfect segue back to the original question of the thread....


Do gay people lie more frequently than straight people?


So 80% of homosexual people lie about being sexually abused in their past?

And animals that exhibit homosexual behavior were sexually abused and cover it up as well under your theory of homosexuality?



So sexual abuse not only causes homosexuality but it also causes dishonesty?




Such utter nonsense.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 2:07 pm
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