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re: DJT statement on debt ceiling.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:14 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:14 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It's hard to see how there would be any way to verify this declaration.
It’s very easy to verify. Numerous times spending bills were stopped because of the debt ceiling. These bills were renegotiated lower.
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Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:15 am to RohanGonzales
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We love our static economic analysis. It works great because people never ever change behaviors in response to government actions.
Here is a huge vat of hopium.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:16 am to Breesus
Trump is a keynesian. Trumpflation is coming.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:17 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It's hard to see how there would be any way to verify this declaration.
You used to believe it too, until Trump said the debt ceiling was bad.
Was all the conservative economics we all used to discuss, wrong? It seems you folks are fairly hell bent on MMT.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:20 am to Bunk Moreland
Disappointed in trump with this kind of statement
Sometimes it feels like trump does the same spin as everyone else
Talk the talk
Sometimes it feels like trump does the same spin as everyone else
Talk the talk
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:24 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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It's a smart political move if you can look beyond the strict conservative/liberal paradigm. P
That's literally irrelevant.
This is about policy. This is about is decreasing spending. You can list that whatever you want (as you're prone to do) on the axes.
The only way the debt ceiling is a distraction is if he's not serious about decreasing spending.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:25 am to Bunk Moreland
I agree. The debt ceiling is a tool to beat republicans over the head.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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The only way the debt ceiling is a distraction is if he's not serious about decreasing spending.
Maybe hes not. Maybe he lied like all of them to win. Who cares cause he won
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:33 am to SDVTiger
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Maybe hes not.
Then he's not, but a lot of his supporters on here will have to face that fact.
I know you don't care, and we've established that a long time ago (and I've told you I respect you for being honest).
This is where your use of TDS is largely a mistake. These discussions aren't targeted at Trump as much as those who claim 2 opposing viewpoints (they want less spending/worry about the deficit-debt and they support Trump)
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Then he's not, but a lot of his supporters on here will have to face that fact.
They will all get over it. There is gonna be a lot of winning and money to be made
The fact that some cant have fun with it and want to just COMPLAIN about everything cause they are miserable irl is TDS
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:37 am to KiwiHead
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Serious question: what services from government are you willing to do without ? Social Security? Medicare? Defense Budget?
You left out the interest on the debt which is a large part of the annual spending.
They need to borrow less at these high rates.
Then the government needs to be real honest about its role. It’s not supposed to be all things to all people but that’s what it wants to be. That’s only natural but it needs to be put in check.
Governments main objectives- Protect the people. Provide some emergency protection. Maybe some degree of welfare but fund it adequately.
Stop allowing government to borrow against welfare programs like social security.
At our current spending levels, we run the risk of being unable to adequately respond to a disaster, or terrorist strike or other event that would call for us to respond with extraordinary financial measures.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:39 am to SDVTiger
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They will all get over it.
Possibly, and their full transformation into a blob of malleable positions and lack of principles will be complete. The question is if this counts as another avatar for their LARP or if the clown suit has been the same since they became MAGA/AF.
The follow up question will be how they can ever claim to be anti-Leftist while promoting Leftist economics openly.
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The fact that some cant have fun with it and want to just COMPLAIN about everything cause they are miserable irl is TDS
Some of us do not believe in Leftist economics and see it as a path to failure.
Some of us have maintained those principles and have stated for years the leftist economics is the biggest issue they have with Trump.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:41 am to Bunk Moreland
More of the same. Trump wants a blank check to continue deficit spending, he also will continue to send money to Ukraine.
We were lied to, and he is quickly losing my support.
We were lied to, and he is quickly losing my support.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:42 am to POTUS2024
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His stance here poses an existential issue for DOGE - why in the hell does it exist?
Vivek and Elon are going to get tired of this bullshite.
You are so obtuse. DOGE understands that unless they can cut 100% of the Budget the Debt Limit will be reached……so trying to make cuts will require compromising with Schummer who will torpedo any important priorities. So by not including this you have effectively tied DOGEs hands before Trump is inaugurated.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:44 am to GoblinGuide
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So Trump is basically Obama? G
Idiotic deflection from your original idiotic original post in this thread.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Possibly, and their full transformation into a blob of malleable positions and lack of principles will be complete
Yeah "conservatives" are hypocrites and dont really exist. Its just a fancy title they give themselves to make them feel good inside
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Some of us do not believe in Leftist economics and see it as a path to failure.
You say this yet are never this vocal about Dems.
Orange Bad only. Thats the TDS
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Some of us have maintained those principles and have stated for years the leftist economics is the biggest issue they have with Trump
You only have an issue cause its Trump. Its what makes you a hypocrite and a leftist
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:57 am to Breesus
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I want to get out of debt. All I need is an increased limit on all my credit cards and a second mortgage and then I can start getting out of debt.
But if you can rewrite the rules you can you buy a lot down the street and entice 10 businesses to relocate there and tax them so you get out of debt…..it doesn’t happen overnight but it is effective.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:58 am to SDVTiger
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You say this yet are never this vocal about Dems.
a. This isn't true
b. Why would I need to repeat myself? We all know DEMs want leftist economics. What is the point of repeating that ad nauseum? It's a fact. Like 2+2=4.
It's literally built into the name ("Leftist" = associated with DEMs)
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Orange Bad only. Thats the TDS
He's not supposed to promote Leftist economics .
People who support him pretend that he isn't promoting it, so we run into a completely different situation than the one above (where you expect DEMs to support their own economic policies). This becomes a much bigger issue when you think about how much MAGA is rudderless other than being anti-DEM, because this means their economic stance is pro-DEM. The NPCs malfunction when you point this out.
This doesn't apply to you, again, as you want more spending, deficits, and debt.
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You only have an issue cause its Trump.
I was against the same shite with Bush, too (who was the last non-DEM President).
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Its what makes you a hypocrite and a leftist
This is where you go off the rails.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. This isn't true
You have made more threads complaining about Trump during Bidens admin than Biden
But link wme at least 20 threads you have started complaining about Bidens term
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He's not supposed to promote Leftist economics .
He won he can do whatever he wants now
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People who support him pretend that he isn't promoting it,
Wonderful. Get over it. Your daily crusade to remind ppl is getting stale
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again, as you want more spending, deficits, and debt.
No one wants this. But you, nor I, or anyone on here will stop it. Im just not going to cry about it. Im gonna make more money
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I was against the same shite with Bush
But never a Dem
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This is where you go off the rails.
Not really
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:04 am to SDVTiger
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He's not supposed to promote Leftist economics .
He won he can do whatever he wants now
"Youre all Democrats now."
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