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Discuss: Why are the Japanese Honorable & The Chinese Aren't?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:30 am
While WWII POWs may disagree - and there are complicated reasons for that found in the Bushido Code, and the perception on the part of their Japanese captors that POWs by definition were in violation of it - I have a general sense that the sense of honor in Japanese society is of much more importance than in China. The Chinese for the most part are sneak-thieves. You can see the difference in the writings of Tsun-Szu's Art of War and Miyamoto's The Way of Walking Alone.
It's interesting that two close neighbors with similar genetic backgrounds would be so different in that regard. Is the difference solely due to the Bushido code in Japan or is there something that goes beyond it?
It's interesting that two close neighbors with similar genetic backgrounds would be so different in that regard. Is the difference solely due to the Bushido code in Japan or is there something that goes beyond it?
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:49 am to Boatshoes
First off comparing China with Japan is like comparing Germany with Russia. And honor is big in both societies, but go look up how honorable the Japanese were to the Chinese in the Rape of Nanking.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:50 am to Boatshoes
We kicked Japan's arse
We didn't kick China's arse
We didn't kick China's arse
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:51 am to Boatshoes
Well, the Chinese kind of gave us a pass fricking them out of 2 TRILLION after WWII so they should get bonus points for that.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:52 am to Wtodd
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We kicked Japan's arse We didn't kick China's arse
yet
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:53 am to Boatshoes
The Japanese are clearly superior to the Chinese. The Godzilla movies are outstanding. I've never watched a decent flick made in China.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:55 am to Boatshoes
Hollywood.
We watch a film like the Last Samurai and impute it to the nation's culture at large.
We watch a film like the Last Samurai and impute it to the nation's culture at large.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:56 am to Boatshoes
Face
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:57 am to Boatshoes
The biggest difference IMHO is that Japan is small with no military whole China is roughly 1/6 of the world population with a huge military.
People let China slide on a lot of shite because they didn’t want to lose access to such a large market. Behavior that would have been corrected otherwise has now been institutionalized over there.
People let China slide on a lot of shite because they didn’t want to lose access to such a large market. Behavior that would have been corrected otherwise has now been institutionalized over there.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 9:58 am to bamarep
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Well, the Chinese kind of gave us a pass fricking them out of 2 TRILLION after WWII so they should get bonus points for that.
They were probably happy to not be under Japanese control anymore.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:00 am to Boatshoes
Opposite sides of the same coin, IMHO. Confucian roots, with heavy historical and political influences from the last 150 years.
Meiji Restoration (precipitated by Perry's opening) in Japan laid the groundwork for WWII (class stratification and obedience). Don't overread the Japanese morality. IMHO, it is more a case of doing what you are EXPECTED to do more than doing what is the right thing.
Mao's programs that required self-preservation destroyed a huge portion of whatever morality the Chinese had left after fallout from Opium Wars (which can be traced back to one British envoy's refusal to kowtow upon meeting the emperor).
Way too many layers to that onion to peel on this board.
For the simple-minded: It's all Whitey's fault.
Meiji Restoration (precipitated by Perry's opening) in Japan laid the groundwork for WWII (class stratification and obedience). Don't overread the Japanese morality. IMHO, it is more a case of doing what you are EXPECTED to do more than doing what is the right thing.
Mao's programs that required self-preservation destroyed a huge portion of whatever morality the Chinese had left after fallout from Opium Wars (which can be traced back to one British envoy's refusal to kowtow upon meeting the emperor).
Way too many layers to that onion to peel on this board.
For the simple-minded: It's all Whitey's fault.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:02 am to teke184
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whole China is roughly 1/6 of the world population with a huge military.
Japan is also a lot more homogeneous than China. The Japs all speak Japanese. In China you've got 7 different languages.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:02 am to Zach
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The Godzilla movies are outstanding. I've never watched a decent flick made in China.
To say nothing of the big moth and the flaming turtle movies.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:05 am to OMLandshark
quote:Not really. Japan and China were once united by a land bridge. They are racially the same, with some minor distinctions formed over thousands of years. Germany does not have comparable racial qualities to Russia, which was ruled by the Khans for centuries.
First off comparing China with Japan is like comparing Germany with Russia
The reason is because Japan attacked the US and was allied with the Nazis. They, like the Nazis, were saying all of thee same things about being the master Asian race and their "death before dishonor" code has led to some of the worst war crimes in modern history.
As for which of them is the aggressor, it's a pointless argument that goes back thousands of years and makes the endless France/Britain shite-fight look like a minor spat.
Short answer - Pearl Harbor
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:10 am to blueboy
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Short answer - Pearl Harbor
So, you're saying a dishonorable surprise attack on us by the Japanese makes us now view the Japanese as being MORE honorable than the Chinese?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:13 am to Zach
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The Japanese are clearly superior to the Chinese. The Godzilla movies are outstanding. I've never watched a decent flick made in China.
You've obviously never seen the original Drunken Master
Seriously, despite all of our political differences and probably differences in general, you should definitely see that movie. It's Jackie Chan when he was young. The stunts he pulls off are incredible as are the fighting sequences
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:14 am to Boatshoes
Japanese didn't seem to honorable in Nanking.
They were beyond brutal. Raping children, Raping women, forced incest between brothers and sisters & daughters and fathers, raping of babies, raping of pregnant women, slicing babies out of pregnant women, mass slaughters of civilians, burning people alive, beheading contests by Japanese soldiers where thousands of Chinese were killed down by the river. This is just a taste of what they did there.
Not even considering the Bataan death march, comfort women, etc... Japanese were worse than the Germans in many ways back in the 1930s & 1940s.
Chinese in general seem much more honorable over a very long length of time.
They were beyond brutal. Raping children, Raping women, forced incest between brothers and sisters & daughters and fathers, raping of babies, raping of pregnant women, slicing babies out of pregnant women, mass slaughters of civilians, burning people alive, beheading contests by Japanese soldiers where thousands of Chinese were killed down by the river. This is just a taste of what they did there.
Not even considering the Bataan death march, comfort women, etc... Japanese were worse than the Germans in many ways back in the 1930s & 1940s.
Chinese in general seem much more honorable over a very long length of time.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:14 am to Boatshoes
They were both savages IMO.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:16 am to bamarep
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Well, the Chinese kind of gave us a pass fricking them out of 2 TRILLION after WWII so they should get bonus points for that.
We could've just sent them an invoice for liberating them from Japanese occupation
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:18 am to blueboy
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Japan and China were once united by a land bridge.
When? Back in the fricking ice age? And Moscow is just slightly further from Berlin as Tokyo is from Beijing. They're connected by land.
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They are racially the same, with some minor distinctions formed over thousands of years. Germany does not have comparable racial qualities to Russia, which was ruled by the Khans for centuries.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you have any idea how diverse China's population is?
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