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re: Disaffiliation of Methodist Churches
Posted on 4/23/23 at 4:56 pm to themunch
Posted on 4/23/23 at 4:56 pm to themunch
We’re in the process of looking to join with others that have voted out, but some aren’t even voting bc they know they don’t have the payoff funds to do it. Our church did but the vote failed so now it’s a dead church with barely any attendance while we are left to now search out churches an hour away from home
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Posted on 4/23/23 at 5:21 pm to You_R_Here
You gave a very articulate synopsis of what is a complex situation. Great job!
Posted on 4/23/23 at 5:28 pm to imjustafatkid
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The woke Methodists got the better end of the deal.
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Of course they didn't. Those churches will slowly die.
The woke churches “got the better deal” by retaining the buildings etc…. The problem they will have is that when the membership drastically is reduced the remaining members will not be able to maintain the buildings.
My church has an annual power bill of over $48,000. Plus all the other things.
The members who left and started new churches are doing so in much smaller facilities that are more financially workable.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:42 pm to alphaandomega
I am a member of a small formerly UMC church. We voted to get out 100%. The church matriarch is the widow of one of the towns attorneys. She reminds the congregation that her husband stated we would regret the day we sold the church for 1$. The thing is the Greater UMC had a plan for a simpler "divorce" but used COVID as a reason to not follow through. Also, the libs somehow outmaneuvered the Conservatives at the World Conference. The Conservatives were the majority. My guess is because the majority of the Bishops were libs and they were able to use the Greater Churches purse strings to lobby against the split.
This post was edited on 4/23/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:56 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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I pray the next pope hails from Africa for this very reason.
Time to start throwing the Racism Accusation
Posted on 4/23/23 at 8:57 pm to alphaandomega
quote:I am somewhat familiar with a fairly large Church near me who had a straw poll some months ago and disaffiliate won 80/20. After a period of further discernment and the real vote came down, they were short of the super majority by 2 percentage points. So 65% wanted to leave and only 35% wanted to remain UMC. It's an older congregation so do those older members leave or will the Church remain for the most part traditional or will they go full tilt bonkers and make it all but impossible for the traditionalist members to stay? I weep for those as I know some of them fairly well.
The woke churches “got the better deal” by retaining the buildings etc…. The problem they will have is that when the membership drastically is reduced the remaining members will not be able to maintain the buildings.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:18 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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It’s hard to find a church if you’re not into the newish “community church” with all the praise bands.
Look for a non-PC(USA) Presbyterian church.
Or conservative Anglican or Lutheran (hard to find). Or a non-Arminian Baptist Church.
Or Evangelical Free (although you may hit a praise band or two). Community Bible in BR is solid and had a world-class music director (pretty traditional with choir) until recently.
John and Charles Wesley and George Whitfield are rolling in their graves. I have issues with some of the Wesleyan Arminian bent (although it has been distorted and overblown and actually somewhat the product of flogging a straw-man version of Calvinism ). But amazing Christian men of a breed that no longer exists. And George Whitfield was a giant.
What a shell now.
Posted on 4/23/23 at 9:36 pm to George Dickel
I go to a Baptist church in the hills. They do sometimes sing old hymns but the one member of the church writes his own songs.
One Sunday after the pastor was done, they closed on with I saw the light by Hank Williams and the audience was more vocal than usual.
One Sunday after the pastor was done, they closed on with I saw the light by Hank Williams and the audience was more vocal than usual.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:09 am to McLemore
quote:Are they into that predestination and only the elect nonsense? Seems there have been several splits over the years with the Presbyterian church and I can't keep them straight.
Look for a non-PC(USA) Presbyterian church.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:14 am to texas tortilla
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is this the churches where the wife is co-pastor to her husband?
Husband has spike hair and wears shirt untucked with sleeves rolled up while the wife wears the flat brimmed beige felt hat. Everyone has a cup of coffee in their hand from the coffee shop in the foyer.
On another note, our priests from Africa have been extremely based. Our small town Catholic church is extremely conservative and these guys have fit in perfectly.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:29 am to Diamondawg
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Are they into that predestination and only the elect nonsense? Seems there have been several splits over the years with the Presbyterian church and I can't keep them straight.
Presbyterian churches run the gamut as far as how reformed they are. But yeah, I assume most PCA churches are at least soft calvinists, though in my experience you'd often never know it. It's not like election dominates the work of most Calvinist churches.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:34 am to East Coast Band
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Does anyone else think the disruptions of church congregations are a product of democrat/liberal long term game to destroy the American fabric of life, much like they're doing with school boards and higher education?
Yes. This should be obvious by now.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:52 am to Eli Goldfinger
quote:Easier said than done. I decided back in Spring/early Summer, once the Judicial Council and Council of Bishops pulled their draconian shenanigans, the UMC has left me. So, my Church of 32 years, the one where my kids grew up, had pretty much dumped us for their LBGQTXYZ nonsense. I was fully prepared to leave the Church had we not voted to disaffiliate. We did but I have yet to get settled in my mind whether our next step is in line with my faith walk or whether they will choose some path one that I can't handle. Either way, people that I have worshiped with for 30 plus years will be leaving the Church over this. It makes my heart hurt.
Since leaving our local fUMC, my family and I are visiting various churches.
It’s hard to find a church if you’re not into the newish “community church” with all the praise bands.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 10:53 am to alphaandomega
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The woke churches “got the better deal” by retaining the buildings etc…. The problem they will have is that when the membership drastically is reduced the remaining members will not be able to maintain the buildings. My church has an annual power bill of over $48,000. Plus all the other things. The members who left and started new churches are doing so in much smaller facilities that are more financially workable.
And that’s fine from their standpoint and end goal (the destruction of these churches/congregations).
Moving forward it will be extremely important to disallow these marxists from infiltrating any new denominations/churches.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:17 pm to Diamondawg
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Are they into that predestination and only the elect nonsense?
Theoretically the Solas are still adhered to by even the PC(USA). But they’re too far gone. What splits are you having issues following?
Also, what other aspects of the absolute sovereignty, omnipotence and omniscience of God do you reject as nonsense?
Eta: skip Paul and go straight to Jesus’ own words in John 6:22 and forward. Reject what almost every theologian worth his salt, since Paul has believed at your own risk.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:38 pm to real turf fan
This is something that has be going on within the tUMC for over a decade. I had a family member that was a District Superintendent and we discussed this often, and all the way back in 2013 he predicted dark days ahead for tUMC. He also even admitted that he wasn't sure if the church would survive, and almost everything he feared has come to fruition.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:55 pm to real turf fan
United Methodist not following the Methodist book of doctrine so Methodist churches disaffiliate and then decide what path to take from there
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