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Dietrich Bonhoeffer explains stupidity. It fits the Left to a T.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:01 am
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:01 am
Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease.
Against stupidity we are defenseless.
Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed — in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical — and when facts are irrefutable, they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.
If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid.
We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them.
We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem.
It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions. Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity.
It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other.
The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances.
The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings.
Yet at this very point it becomes quite clear that only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity.
Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it. Until then we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person.
This state of affairs explains why in such circumstances our attempts to know what ‘the people’ really think are in vain and why, under these circumstances, this question is so irrelevant for the person who is thinking and acting responsibly. The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.
But these thoughts about stupidity also offer consolation in that they utterly forbid us to consider the majority of people to be stupid in every circumstance. It really will depend on whether those in power expect more from people’s stupidity than from their inner independence and wisdom.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from “After Ten Years” in “Letters and Papers from Prison.” Bonhoeffer was a leader in the Confessional Church in Germany and was hanged to death on April 9, 1945 by Hitler’s Nazis just days before the Buchenwald concentration camp was liberated.
Against stupidity we are defenseless.
Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed — in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical — and when facts are irrefutable, they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.
If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid.
We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them.
We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem.
It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions. Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity.
It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other.
The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances.
The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings.
Yet at this very point it becomes quite clear that only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity.
Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it. Until then we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person.
This state of affairs explains why in such circumstances our attempts to know what ‘the people’ really think are in vain and why, under these circumstances, this question is so irrelevant for the person who is thinking and acting responsibly. The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.
But these thoughts about stupidity also offer consolation in that they utterly forbid us to consider the majority of people to be stupid in every circumstance. It really will depend on whether those in power expect more from people’s stupidity than from their inner independence and wisdom.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from “After Ten Years” in “Letters and Papers from Prison.” Bonhoeffer was a leader in the Confessional Church in Germany and was hanged to death on April 9, 1945 by Hitler’s Nazis just days before the Buchenwald concentration camp was liberated.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 11:02 am
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:03 am to RiverCityTider
That’s a lot of ready to tell me that liberals are the scum of the earth
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:05 am to RiverCityTider
If it wasn't for stupid and naive people our evil Psychopathic Overlords disguised as public servants, (aka politicians) could not control the levers of political power as they do today.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:09 am to RiverCityTider
Proverbs 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so too does a fool return to his folly.
As a dog returns to its vomit, so too does a fool return to his folly.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:09 am to RiverCityTider
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reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed — in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical — and when facts are irrefutable, they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.
Describes Cult45 to a T.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:11 am to RiverCityTider
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In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him.
The modern democratic party right there. Ouch.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:13 am to FLTech
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That’s a lot of ready to tell me that liberals are the scum of the earth
That's a lot of words to tell us that universal suffrage is a bad idea.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 11:18 am to RiverCityTider
Bonhorffer, huh? Subtle "I can read at a college level" brag!
Ironically (or perhaps not) he was a conservative and Anti-Nazi.
The modern Left would twist him like a pretzel
Ironically (or perhaps not) he was a conservative and Anti-Nazi.
The modern Left would twist him like a pretzel
Posted on 6/22/24 at 1:09 pm to RiverCityTider
Great video explaining it
Posted on 6/22/24 at 1:33 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
Describes Cult45 to a T.
Hey everybody!
I found one of the people he was talking about.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 1:40 pm to RiverCityTider
Edit to add: Cuz413 posted the same video earlier in the thread.
Here is an approx 5 minute video covering much of what your post contains verbatim plus a little extra context (for those who prefer video):
YouTube - Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity
His insight of stupidity as a moral failing is rather brilliant and accurate. It really does capture the frustration he must've felt watching ordinary Germans blindly and stupidly going along with the atrocities of the Nazi party... and it explains how people are.so easily duped by the media and academia now.
My wife has TDS infected friends I sometimes argue with, and Bonhoeffer's Theory explains to a T their ability to ignore facts and truth when I have them pinned. They just ignore it and try to redirect to something else they don't like.
Here is an approx 5 minute video covering much of what your post contains verbatim plus a little extra context (for those who prefer video):
YouTube - Bonhoeffer's Theory of Stupidity
His insight of stupidity as a moral failing is rather brilliant and accurate. It really does capture the frustration he must've felt watching ordinary Germans blindly and stupidly going along with the atrocities of the Nazi party... and it explains how people are.so easily duped by the media and academia now.
My wife has TDS infected friends I sometimes argue with, and Bonhoeffer's Theory explains to a T their ability to ignore facts and truth when I have them pinned. They just ignore it and try to redirect to something else they don't like.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/22/24 at 1:56 pm to epbart
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My wife has TDS infected friends I sometimes argue with, and Bonhoeffer's Theory explains to a T their ability to ignore facts and truth when I have them pinned.
There is a logic to it
DC has said that supporting Trump is a socially unacceptable position, and you will pay a social and potentially physical price to supporting him.
At the same time, there may be quiet social benefits to showing that you’re against Trump. The system will reward you.
I think it’s to some degree a cowardice test, or a fight or flight test.
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 6/22/24 at 2:33 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:
Describes Cult45 to a T.
"Nuh uh! You are!"
Sick burn, bro!
This post was edited on 6/22/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 6/22/24 at 2:56 pm to Lima Whiskey
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At the same time, there may be quiet social benefits to showing that your against Trump. The system will reward you.
I think it’s to some degree it’s a cowardice test, or a fight or flight test.
Agree. It's very similar to how government & media framed their messaging over the jab. Those who obeyed were framed to be good, thoughtful, and considerate of others. Those who didn't want to take it were insulted and made to appear selfish and unintelligent (despite the opposite often being true). It was a test of moral fiber for many people.
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DC has said that supporting Trump is a socially unacceptable position, and you will pay a social and potentially physical price to supporting him.
I was trying to look up something on Alinsky some time back and listened to a religiously oriented show with a guest talking about his book on disinformation. What they described, which was a common tactic of the Soviets and a variation of Alinsky's rule of using ridicule to attack opponents, perfectly describes what happened to Trump... For any activitist goal, pick an opponent, make it personal, then destroy that person and take them down by any means.
Trump's opponents and the media have attempted to dehumanize Trump at every opportunity, while excusing away any flaws or flagrant abuses on their own side. It's astonishing that people fall for it, but I've seen the turn of opinion in some. One friend of mine went from, "Gee, I don't know about Trump... He's not very presidential", when he was running against Hillary to an outright irrational hatred of Trump now despite Trump not having done anything to the man personally to warrant the venom he feels. It is perfectly in line with the stupidity Bonhoeffer describes. There is absolutely no reasoning with him now, and he is absolutely unaware of how he's been manipulated into his opinion.
I say the above as someone who never especially loved Trump and who doesn't deify him. My opinion on him has changed little over the past several years. But I'm very aware of what the system is doing to him, and it's a disgraceful.
And if the propaganda seems worse now and more people seem irrationally stupid, I can't help but wonder how much the "updating" of the Smith Mundt Act in 2012 changed things. In 1948, it was originally put in place to prevent orgs like the State Dept and CIA from spreading propaganda to US citizens. In 2012 (under Obama, go figure), it was updated in the interest of allowing the govt to spread propaganda to US citizens... to more directly fight the messaging of Al Quaeda, etc. I'm sure this hasn't been abused in the last decade to further attack Trump. :tongue-firmly-in-cheek:
Posted on 6/22/24 at 3:29 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:Exhibit A
BuckyCheese
Posted on 6/22/24 at 3:32 pm to epbart
quote:
I was trying to look up something on Alinsky some time back and listened to a religiously oriented show with a guest talking about his book on disinformation. What they described, which was a common tactic of the Soviets and a variation of Alinsky's rule of using ridicule to attack opponents
If you want to understand that I would study Judaism and Jewish culture.
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There is absolutely no reasoning with him now, and he is absolutely unaware of how he's been manipulated into his opinion.
I think it’s, and it’s not a judgement, their animal brain kicking in. The leaders of society have said x, so I will believe x.
Posted on 6/22/24 at 3:41 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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As a dog returns to its vomit
"Intelligent design!"
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