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re: Did the Rebecca Lobach scrubbing accomplish anything?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:25 am to Mandtgr47
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:25 am to Mandtgr47
quote:Ignoring any gender or DEI issues, if they do exist, this is the real tale of the tape.
No shite, she should have been nowhere close to that position, and likely would not have without her connection to the Biden Administration. I'm sure she was a celebrated individual in the Army given her close ties to the Biden Family, and was fast tracked.
She was tasked with giving tours of the White House
She was flying right seat on a Continuity of Government training mission.
She was somebody's fav.
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Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:31 am to Mandtgr47
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WHAT ATC DID WAS CLEAR THE PILOT IN WHICH THE PILOT ACKNOWLEDGED A VISUAL OF THE JET.
I'm as anti-DEI as anyone, but personally I don't know if this accident is attributable to DEI. Why pretend we know things that we don't?
One of the few things that we DO know is that the male instructor (or just check?) pilot is the one who said HE had the traffic in sight and advised that HE would maintain visual separation. I don't think there was enough delay in response for him to check with her and say "I don't see the traffic, but do you?" and she respond "Tallyho."
As others have said, in that environment it was easy to make mistakes about identifying particular aircraft. Perhaps the instructor pilot should have asked for clarification...and ATC should have DEFINITELY given more information about traffic: "PAT25, do you have the CRJ AT YOUR ELEVEN O'CLOCK, 500 feet, short final, runway 33 Reagan?"
As for busting the altitude ceiling, it seems like the pilots would have noticed an instrumentation error (set the altimeter wrong?) earlier in the flight, so that was probably just sloppy flying. You would think the one danger they would have gone over in a preflight briefing was emphasizing the altitude restriction near DCA.
As for "special treatment" for Captain Lobach, I haven't heard of anything specifically. Maybe it happened, but we don't KNOW that it did. I have a friend who was a Marine helicopter pilot. His opinion of female military helicopters pilots is that they were on par with men.
Thanks for listening to my TED talk. Personally, I don't agree that ALL of the blame should be placed on Captain Lobach or on DEI practices based on what we know now. The male instructor pilot, God rest his soul, surely is somewhat at fault for accepting visual separation when he didn't have the correct aircraft in sight.
I am confident that the DoD under Pete Hegseth will do a thorough report. Until that's done, I think it's counter productive and disrespectful to prematurely villify Captain Lobach. Others bear responsibility as well.
Sorry for taking so long to say what I really meant. For some of us who are anti-DEI, it feels a bit dirty to read the wild speculation about fault when it comes to a deceased woman who was serving her country just to score political points.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 6:33 am
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:34 am to Stinger_1066
quote:
Did the Rebecca Lobach scrubbing accomplish anything?
Well, even if only the 'coverup was worse than the crime' [in this case scrubbing], it told me EVERYTHING we should know. Some people in power, thought there was incriminating evidence, and wanted it gone... wiped clean.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:38 am to Stinger_1066
why was base calling for the BlackHawk to return to base (twice) and why didn't the pilots respond?
Edit: Ignore. This was asked after the crash.
Edit: Ignore. This was asked after the crash.
This post was edited on 2/3/25 at 6:52 am
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:40 am to captainFid
quote:
and wanted it gone... wiped clean.
Sincere question: do we know if anything WAS wiped clean? Certainly OK to guess that it was.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:42 am to Statestreet
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why was base calling for the BlackHawk to return to base (twice) and why didn't the pilots respond?
Thanks for bringing that up. Has that been established 100%? If true, that would seem enormous.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:45 am to IvoryBillMatt
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As for "special treatment" for Captain Lobach, I haven't heard of anything specifically. Maybe it happened, but we don't KNOW that it did. I have a friend who was a Marine helicopter pilot. His opinion of female military helicopters pilots is that they were on par with men.
All you need to look at was the fact that her name was withheld for another day longer than every other victim.
That's special treatment. We know that it's blatantly obvious, she got something given to no one else.
And that time was used to scrub her account.
Did she cause the accident? Yes she was at least a part of it. That's obvious, the person with the stick flew right into the plane.
Was it because she was a bad pilot? No idea. Would a more experienced pilot make that error? No idea.
Was she connected with the Biden Whitehouse, yes, was she given opportunity yes.
Do we know who her partner is? No. Do we know how she got moved from ROTC to the Whitehouse to 12th? No.
Answers are needed, but we 100% know she got benefits no one else got.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:46 am to Rebel
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I’ve not seen anything that says she is “woke” per se. But you don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce she was big in the LGBTQIA-Maps+ community.
There are pictures of her out there attending Pride events.
She was woke. There is no disputing it.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:50 am to Narax
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Answers are needed, but we 100% know she got benefits no one else got.
Very fair point.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:52 am to Stinger_1066
I didn't see it reported if she was a lez. Is this a fact and did she have TDS?
I think she was probably qualified and may have had help to get into flying VIP's. I would think top pilots and officers would be getting those positions. So I would think it may have been a bit of DEI getting her that position.
I would like to know why the instructor allowed the pilot to fly on the wrong side of the river and go above the 200' ceiling. This was a calamity of errors I believe by ATC, instructor and pilot.
I think she was probably qualified and may have had help to get into flying VIP's. I would think top pilots and officers would be getting those positions. So I would think it may have been a bit of DEI getting her that position.
I would like to know why the instructor allowed the pilot to fly on the wrong side of the river and go above the 200' ceiling. This was a calamity of errors I believe by ATC, instructor and pilot.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 6:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
quote:
quote:
why was base calling for the BlackHawk to return to base (twice) and why didn't the pilots respond?
Thanks for bringing that up. Has that been established 100%? If true, that would seem enormous
it was asked, but it was asked of them to return after the crash. I found an article that mentioned it.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:02 am to jp4lsu
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I think she was probably qualified and may have had help to get into flying VIP's. I would think top pilots and officers would be getting those positions. So I would think it may have been a bit of DEI getting her that position.
Do we know when she left the Biden Whitehouse?
Do we know how many of her air hours were pre 2021?
I'm unsure if anyone has shown when she started flying again. This could have been one of her first trips in a while.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:03 am to I20goon
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She was flying right seat on a Continuity of Government training mission.
Biden really sucks at selecting people for stuff.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:06 am to hansenthered1
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There is a lot of hate from folks on this board. A servicemember died and yes it was tragic and yes she may be at fault for the accident. Who knows at this point. But the idea that the Alex Jones types think this needs to be turned into some attack on the person is just beyond the pale. This type of hate is going to blow up the MAGA movement quicker than many think.
The hate is for DEI, and that hate is justified.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:08 am to Narax
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Do we know how she got moved from ROTC to the Whitehouse to 12th? No.
This wasn't the progression, as far as I'm aware. She went from ROTC to national guard, then Army in 2019.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:08 am to Statestreet
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t was asked, but it was asked of them to return after the crash. I found an article that mentioned it.
Thanks. I just found a Rumble video discussing it, but the call is clearly to "Blackjack 3" not to "PAT 25." The situation is also confused because military aviation radio uses UHF while civilian uses VHF. At least in the calls to "Blackjack 3," we don't hear the response. Also, Blackjack 3 is told by ATC to go to Dulles.
Anyhow, lots of unanswered questions. Sure would be nice to have a functioning press to at least ask them.
So far, I can't find anything compelling about "return to base." Also, I haven't found much on what a "continuity in government" training would involve. Would the "return to base calls" be part of that...to simulate the crew having to respond to spontaneous instructions re changing destinations?
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:12 am to jake wade
Single
Late 20s
Into military aviation
Biden staffer
Played women’s college basketball
Has a “partner”
There’s better odds she’s an orangutan than a straight female.
Late 20s
Into military aviation
Biden staffer
Played women’s college basketball
Has a “partner”
There’s better odds she’s an orangutan than a straight female.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:12 am to Mandtgr47
Since you are heavily invested in the blame game, did ATC confirm with the helo that the plane was approaching runway 33 and not runway 1?
Since 99% of traffic was on runway 1 that is where the helo would be looking if not instructed otherwise. With NVG they would have never seen the plane approaching from the left for runway 33 unless ATC gave them a reason to look that direction.
I don't recall what the released recordings said.
Since 99% of traffic was on runway 1 that is where the helo would be looking if not instructed otherwise. With NVG they would have never seen the plane approaching from the left for runway 33 unless ATC gave them a reason to look that direction.
I don't recall what the released recordings said.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:17 am to jizzle6609
quote:
She was flying right seat on a Continuity of Government training mission.
quote:I don't have any idea if true or even accurate but the scenario I am picturing is one of:
Biden really sucks at selecting people for stuff.
A) she was a fav of the Biden white house (maybe not Biden specifically, but someone there)
B) Trump wins; she will likely no longer be roaming around the white house giving tours.
C) they move her to that air wing to "stash" her before Trump takes over so that she doesn't get transferred out of the DC area.
D) that wing is responsible for the continuity of government / evac flights. Since she got plopped into their laps they started training her on flying in the DCA airspace.
Posted on 2/3/25 at 7:18 am to hansenthered1
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This type of hate is going to blow up the MAGA movement quicker than many think.
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