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Did the CIA's notorious mind control program create an infamous killer?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:47 pm
No telling what the government has done that we don't know about.
CIA Historian: "This is the first time I've been shocked"
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MK-Ultra was the code name for a notorious government mind control program conducted in the 1950s and 1960s in which the CIA directed scientists to dose unsuspecting human guinea pigs with LSD and other drugs. The program was recently back in the news when a juror in the case of one of those guinea pigs — the late Boston mobster Whitey Bulger, whom the CIA had injected with LSD when he was a young prison inmate — said she wouldn’t have voted to convict him of 11 murders had she known what the U.S. government had done to him. Bulger, who was given LSD over 50 times, would go on to terrorize South Boston as the notoriously violent leader of the Winter Hill Gang.
In a new episode of “Buried Treasure,” a regular feature of the Yahoo News podcast “Skullduggery,” Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman interview historian and journalist Stephen Kinzer, the author of the new book “Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control.” It’s a biography of the man behind MK-Ultra, a chemist named Sidney Gottlieb, who also devised poisons the agency used to try to assassinate foreign leaders such as Fidel Castro and Patrice Lumumba. What follows is an edited transcript of the interview.
CIA Historian: "This is the first time I've been shocked"
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:50 pm to SavageOrangeJug
If LSD causes people to kill, then we should have a lot of LSD induced killings out there. Where are they? Hell, we've got plenty on this board who should be killers.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:50 pm to SavageOrangeJug
It certainly helped create the UNAbomber
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:55 pm to 225bred
That was my first thought as well about Kaczynski
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:55 pm to SavageOrangeJug
Did it create Pete Buttigig?
Posted on 3/2/20 at 6:57 pm to gthog61
Folks from Camp Peary doing their stalking and confirmed kill trial.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:01 pm to AUstar
I'd like to hide and only say I did it 6 times. I've only slayed deer.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:09 pm to AUstar
LSD makes you listen to songs that last 15 minutes, stare at walls, and eventually end up on Mars.
It does not make you kill people
It does not make you kill people
Posted on 3/2/20 at 7:16 pm to YumYum Sauce
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LSD makes you listen to songs that last 15 minutes, stare at walls, and eventually end up on Mars.
It does not make you kill people
If you have never laughed for 8 hours straight.....
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:17 pm to SavageOrangeJug
I could be wrong, but I don't think these folks were given a hit or two of acid. They were injected with MASSIVE doses of LSD. Who knows what kinds of psychosis that causes.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:28 pm to Vrai
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. They were injected with MASSIVE doses of LSD. Who knows what kinds of psychosis that causes.
Complete detachment from reality.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:30 pm to SavageOrangeJug
lol Whitey was a pos thug his entire life.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 8:49 pm to Honest Tune
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Complete detachment from reality.
Which could cause you to kill someone in certain situations. I have tripped probably near 100 times and never had a bad one but all it takes is the wrong mindset in the wrong situation and someone could end up doing something they normally wouldn't. I know i can handle it and that wouldn't happen to someone like me but when you really look back and think about how retarded you acted the first time you drank or got high its pretty easy to imagine an inexperienced person freaking out and killing someone on acid. You can get carried away pretty quickly if you let your mind focus on one thing for too long.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 9:14 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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Michael Isikoff
He would definitely know all about CIA plots
Posted on 3/2/20 at 10:01 pm to YumYum Sauce
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LSD makes you listen to songs that last 15 minutes, stare at walls, and eventually end up on Mars.
It does not make you kill people
Well, dropping a hit of acid and going to a concert or running around in the woods won't necessarily make you kill people. Being surreptitiously injected with 50 hits of acid and then being poked and prodded by "doctors" in a cold examination room a few dozen times just might.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 10:09 pm to AUstar
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If LSD causes people to kill, then we should have a lot of LSD induced killings out there. Where are they?
Did you ever see that movie The Men Who Stare at Goats?
They touched on this a bit. It's not that LSD will turn someone into a killer in and of itself. They use it in combination with other things. In the movie it was depicted my Kevin Spacey's character strapping someone down who was high and putting a big lamp in front of his face and turning it off and on and yelling at him and shite to scare the hell out of him.
I can't even imagine what that sort of shite would do to someone who was high on LSD. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't induce heart attacks in people on the spot fricking with them like that.
ETA: if someone were genuinely interested in the various methods the CIA has used to try and "program" people, there is open source literature available on the net. Straight from the horse's mouth too.
They have done some truly fricked up and crazy shite to try and create "Manchurian Candidate" type folks. I remember reading one story how they had two young girls (school aged girls) who were friends. One of them had a brother or father who had been killed through random gun violence and as a consequence the girl was terrified of firearms. Well, they tinkered with her brain enough that they were able to get her to stand up, walk over to a table, grab a gun, put the gun to her friends head and pull the trigger. Then she sets the gun back down, wakes up and has no memory of what she had done.
There were no rounds in the pistol, but she didn't know that.
And when they later told her what she had done she recoiled in terror at the thought of it.
This is Nazi scientist, Joseph Mangele bullshite. Totally real.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 3/2/20 at 11:10 pm to BoarEd
Yeah and like the guy Sirhan Sirhan, who has no recollection of his assassination attempt. Has maintained that story since the 80s. Pretty freaky.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 11:21 pm to SmokePurpleLiveGold2
The methods were taken straight from the Nazis. Mangele discovered that if you take someone (the younger the better) and subject them to severe trauma the mind creates a bubble around the incident in question. This is similar to how people who have car wrecks don't remember the wreck afterwards. It's a self defense mechanism. So what he would do is do something terrible to a small child (he was working on like 6 year olds) and immediately after he would hypnotize them, give them instructions and a trigger word and then bring them out of their trance. Then, he could just tell them the trigger word and they'd carry out the task.
Manchurian Candidates. They're real and it was the Nazis experimenting on Jews that pioneered the research. Our CIA just carried the research on after the war.
No telling what other methods they've devised by now. I'm sure they've gotten even better at it.
Hell, we have the ability to perform rudimentary "mind control" via audio frequency. There's again open source literature online direct from the defense contractors who were putting these platforms on aircraft back during the first Persian Gulf War. They were able to induce feelings of terror and dred in enemy troops and these people were essentially surrendering in mass to remote controlled airplanes equiped with nothing more than a speaker to broadcast audio tones at them.
Manchurian Candidates. They're real and it was the Nazis experimenting on Jews that pioneered the research. Our CIA just carried the research on after the war.
No telling what other methods they've devised by now. I'm sure they've gotten even better at it.
Hell, we have the ability to perform rudimentary "mind control" via audio frequency. There's again open source literature online direct from the defense contractors who were putting these platforms on aircraft back during the first Persian Gulf War. They were able to induce feelings of terror and dred in enemy troops and these people were essentially surrendering in mass to remote controlled airplanes equiped with nothing more than a speaker to broadcast audio tones at them.
Posted on 3/2/20 at 11:43 pm to BoarEd
quote:Must be why I have no memory of the 95 National Championship game UF vs Nebraska. Then again maybe I was just drunk as a skunk and passed out.
Mangele discovered that if you take someone (the younger the better) and subject them to severe trauma the mind creates a bubble around the incident in question. This is similar to how people who have car wrecks don't remember the wreck afterwards.
This post was edited on 3/2/20 at 11:46 pm
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