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Did republicans hold closed door meetings impeaching Clinton?
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:06 pm
If so, please explain the situation...
liberal friends are arguing this point...
"Republicans did it to Clinton"
I want to know the facts...
because if they did, then I guess we all know why this is happening to Trump as Pay back...?
liberal friends are arguing this point...
"Republicans did it to Clinton"
I want to know the facts...
because if they did, then I guess we all know why this is happening to Trump as Pay back...?
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Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:07 pm to ApexTiger
No
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:08 pm to KillTheGophers
quote:
No
How confident are you in your answer?
did you follow the impeachment process closely?
how good is your memory?
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:12 pm to ApexTiger
There may have been some of that but as I understand it whether some of it was closed door or not, the minority party Democrats were given much more authority to cross examine and subpoena witnesses. Don't quote me on that.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:14 pm to ApexTiger
They didn't need to, Slick Willy was on video asking what the definition of "is" is as his defense for lying under oath in a deposition.
Perjury is an actual crime so no manipulation by hook and crook was needed.
Perjury is an actual crime so no manipulation by hook and crook was needed.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:22 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Then-Rep. Lindsey Graham, at a November 1998 news conference one day after Special Prosecutor Ken Starr publicly testified before the House Judiciary Committee, praised the Judiciary panel's plans to hold depositions before conducting public hearings. Graham was a key Republican on the Judiciary Committee and was one of the House impeachment managers during the Senate trial that followed. Asked by a reporter in 1998 if he thought there would be hearings with "some of the principals," Graham said: "The depositions, I think, will determine whether or not we go forward with hearings. I think it's a very smart thing to do, to depose these people and find out what they've got to say and not drag this thing out unnecessarily. And it's going to end by the end of the year."
Graham in 98 praised how smart it is to do depositions behind closed doors before going public.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:22 pm to ApexTiger
The Ken Starr investigation was behind closed doors in front of a grand jury. If it was a committee inquiry he would have just refused to answer a question about a blow job and Starr would have been destroyed for asking it.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:24 pm to mmcgrath
The Democrats and Clinton were allowed to call witnesses in those closed door hearings.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:30 pm to bluestem75
quote:
The Democrats and Clinton were allowed to call witnesses in those closed door hearings.
This is correct. Because the Republicans are the minority party, they cannot call witnesses. In both the Nixon and Clinton inquires, language in the inquiry resolutions gave the minority party the power to subpoena witnesses. Since there hasn't been a resolution, it is impossible for that language to exist here. And Schiff is unlikely to do it for them.
I will comment though the Republican Rep. Mark Meadows contradicted reports that Republican committee members are not being allowed to question the witnesses, saying that each side alternates asking questions in set time blocks and that there has been no limit provided for the number of questions each side can ask the witnesses.
Another difference, Nixon inquiry allowed White House lawyers, Clinton and Current did/are not, but staff attorneys for Republicans are present and allowed to question.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:31 pm to bluestem75
quote:
The Democrats and Clinton were allowed to call witnesses in those closed door hearings.
can you confirm that?
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:31 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
Did republicans hold closed door meetings impeaching Clinton?
I believe the answer is yes, by the Judicial Committee where all impeachments have been reviewed in the past,
quote:
"Republicans did it to Clinton"
No they did not. It was held in a closed door HJC hearing pursuant to a 363-63 vote by the entire house which approved the closed door procedure.
I think the reason it was done initially closed door this way was because of the salacious subject matter, the pubs didn't want to make it seem as if they were just using the impeachment powers to air Clinton's dirty laundry if there were not legitimate grounds to impeach.
Congressional Research Report beginning on pg 25
Again, this was after a full house vote approving this procedure, it was before the full committee and not with a couple of selected members and staff vs. the SCIF [mainly for optics], and there wasn't selective cherry-picked leaks as done by the Schitts.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:31 pm to ApexTiger
No. Neither did the dims before moving against Nixon. This shite has never been pulled before.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:39 pm to PhDoogan
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the pubs didn't want to make it seem as if they were just using the impeachment powers to air Clinton's dirty laundry if there were not legitimate grounds to impeach.
That sounds a lot like having integrity.
This post was edited on 10/25/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 10/25/19 at 4:44 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
In both cases of Nixon and Clinton, "Outside and Preliminary Investigations" were conducted before impeachment resolutions were introduced to the House and sent to the Judiciary committee.
That is a fact
LINK
That is a fact
LINK
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:04 pm to DeathAndTaxes
By Independent Counsel, right, appointed pursuant to house resolution.
Schitts ain't exactly what you call Independent.
Schitts ain't exactly what you call Independent.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:14 pm to ApexTiger
Didn’t they hold like 60 closed door meetings concerning Clinton/Benghazi
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:15 pm to PhDoogan
Not gonna debate that, that's a separate issue.
Just correcting statements that an investigation before formal inquiry is entirely unprecedented. That statement is incorrect.
Just correcting statements that an investigation before formal inquiry is entirely unprecedented. That statement is incorrect.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:35 pm to DeathAndTaxes
quote:
Just correcting statements that an investigation before formal inquiry is entirely unprecedented. That statement is incorrect.
I agree. But the distinction is, unless you can show me otherwise, all of those investigations were authorized by resolution upon full vote of the house.
There has been no such vote here.
And the constitution recognizes that certain actions by the House may warrant secrecy.
Simply because the alleged foundation of this impeachment episode was commenced by an IC employee who misused the WB statutes does not make it this intelligence matter warranting the secret proceedings.
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:38 pm to PhDoogan
what was the original reason for the impeachment inquiry?
Ken Star report didn't come out for another year...
Ken Star report didn't come out for another year...
Posted on 10/25/19 at 5:39 pm to PhDoogan
quote:
Schitts ain't exactly what you call Independent.
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