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Detailed description of the "Fall of Constantinople"

Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:17 am
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:17 am
Here's a bright idea. Instead of them storming the gates, chopping our heads off and raping our women... let's just invite them into our civilization and give them whatever they would like, no questions asked


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Raymond Ibrahim

Middle East and Islam Specialist

When Islam Came: Rape and Devastation in Constantinople


May 29 was the 567th-year anniversary of the Islamic conquest of Constantinople, one of ancient Christianity’s greatest capitals that for the previous seven centuries had, as Europe’s easternmost bulwark, withstood Islam.

Lesser known is what immediately followed this Muslim seizure of “New Rome”—which Turkey is immensely proud of—as described below (note: all quotes are from contemporary sources, mostly eyewitnesses):

Once inside the city on that fateful May 29, 1453, the “enraged Turkish soldiers . . . gave no quarter”:

When they had massacred and there was no longer any resistance, they were intent on pillage and roamed through the town stealing, disrobing, pillaging, killing, raping, taking captive men, women, children, old men, young men, monks, priests, people of all sorts and conditions…  There were virgins who awoke from troubled sleep to find those brigands standing over them with bloody hands and faces full of abject fury…  [The Turks] dragged them, tore them, forced them, dishonored them, raped them at the cross-roads and made them submit to the most terrible outrages… Tender children were brutally snatched from their mothers’ breasts and girls were pitilessly given up to strange and horrible unions, and a thousand other terrible things happened. . .

Because thousands of citizens had fled to and were holed up in Hagia Sophia, the ancient basilica offered an excellent harvest of slaves—once its doors were axed down.  “One Turk would look for the captive who seemed the wealthiest, a second would prefer a pretty face among the nuns. . . . Each rapacious Turk was eager to lead his captive to a safe place, and then return to secure a second and a third prize. . . . Then long chains of captives could be seen leaving the church and its shrines, being herded along like cattle or flocks of sheep.”

The slavers sometimes fought each other to the death over “any well-formed girl,” even as many of the latter “preferred to cast themselves into the wells and drown rather than fall into the hands of the Turks.”

Having taken possession of one of Christendom’s greatest and oldest basilicas—nearly a thousand years old at the time of its capture—the invaders “engaged in every kind of vileness within it, making of it a public brothel.” On “its holy altars” they enacted “perversions with our women, virgins, and children,” including “the Grand Duke’s daughter who was quite beautiful.” She was forced to “lie on the great altar of Hagia Sophia with a crucifix under her head and then raped.”

Next “they paraded the [Hagia Sophia’s main] Crucifix in mocking procession through their camp, beating drums before it, crucifying the Christ again with spitting and blasphemies and curses. They placed a Turkish cap . . . upon His head, and jeeringly cried, ‘Behold the god of the Christians!’”

Many other churches in the ancient city suffered the same fate. “The crosses which had been placed on the roofs or the walls of churches were torn down and trampled.” The Eucharist was hurled to the ground; holy icons were stripped of gold, “thrown to the ground and kicked.” Bibles were stripped of their gold or silver illuminations before being burned. “Icons were without exception given to the flames.” Patriarchal vestments were placed on the haunches of dogs; priestly garments were placed on horses.

“Everywhere there was misfortune, everyone was touched by pain” when Sultan Muhammad II (“Mehmet”) finally made his grand entry into the city. “There were lamentations and weeping in every house, screaming in the crossroads, and sorrow in all churches; the groaning of grown men and the shrieking of women accompanied looting, enslavement, separation, and rape.”

The sultan rode to Hagia Sophia, dismounted, and went in, “marveling at the sight” of the grand basilica. After having it cleansed of its crosses, statues, and icons—the sultan himself knocked over and trampled on its altar—Muhammad ordered a muezzin to ascend the pulpit and sound “their detestable prayers. Then this son of iniquity, this forerunner of Antichrist, mounted upon the Holy Table to utter forth his own prayers,” thereby “turning the Great Church into a heathen shrine for his god and his Mahomet.”

To cap off his triumph, Muhammad had the “wretched citizens of Constantinople” dragged before his men during evening festivities and “ordered many of them to be hacked to pieces, for the sake of entertainment.” The rest of the city’s population—as many as forty-five thousand—were hauled off in chains to be sold as slaves.

It is this “heritage” that millions of Turks—beginning with their president, Erdogan—are eager to honor through their incessant calls to transform the Hagia Sophia, which has been a museum since 1945, into a mosque again.  Salih Turhan, head of the Anatolian Youth Association, puts it well: “As the grandchildren of Muhammad the Conqueror, seeking the re-opening Hagia Sophia as a mosque is our legitimate right.”

Openly idolizing Muhammad II and trying to do what he did—transform Hagia Sophia into a mosque to honor the “souls of all who left us this work as inheritance, especially Istanbul’s conqueror [Muhammad],” as Erdogan himself proclaims—is tantamount to Turkey saying, “We are proud of [and seek to emulate?] our ancestors who slaughtered, enslaved, and raped people and stole their lands simply because they were Christian infidels.”

Not, of course, that anyone notices or cares, being so overwhelmed by and paralyzed from putting down rioting criminals who—not unlike the “enraged” Muslims’ initial entry into Constantinople described above—are “intent on pillage and roamed through the town stealing.”

Note: The above account was adapted from the author’s book, Sword and Scimitar: Fourteen Centuries of War between Islam and the West.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:21 am to
That's nobody's business but the Turks.

ETA: Damn, no one is feeling jokes this morning.
This post was edited on 7/9/24 at 10:43 am
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:25 am to
History is full of conquering armies doing horrible shite to the conquered. Christianity (or the Western World) is not exempted from that fact. If you want to highlight brutality that’s fine but understand that everyone has participated in it.
Posted by Tommy Noble
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:30 am to
True, but Muslims throughout history were and still are particularly brutal.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:30 am to
That’s not happening here lol
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:32 am to
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That’s not happening here lol


That will happen everywhere muslims become a majority.
Posted by Padme
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:34 am to
It never happens, until it does
Posted by GnashRebel
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:34 am to
Constantinople was a shadow of its glory when it fell. The Eastern Roman Empire had very few holdings left. Ultimately there was little support from Christendom and some Christian states actively worked against them.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:36 am to
Maybe in Europe, but it ain’t happening in the US Jack.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:38 am to
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That will happen everywhere muslims become a majority.

So, not here. Our replacement is with latin catholics.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:43 am to
I’m sure the people of the Byzantine Empire felt the same way twenty years earlier.
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:48 am to
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I’m sure the people of the Byzantine Empire felt the same way twenty years earlier.


Well they were retards for feeling that way then, because they lived next door, and amongst Muslim populations. Many factors go into reasons why this happened too, and none of those factors have any similarities to us.
Posted by Figgy
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:50 am to
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True, but Muslims throughout history were and still are particularly brutal.


In much of the Islamic world that is very true and we see the results from it. They’re not exactly high on the list to go visit with a few possible exceptions. Indonesia being the first one that comes to the top of my mind.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:50 am to
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because they lived next door, and amongst Muslim populations. Many factors go into reasons why this happened too,

Pretty much. The Byzantine Empire had been a corpse for a century or more by the time it finally fell. Ironically enough, much like the fate that befell their conquerors 450 years later.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37264 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:51 am to
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They’re not exactly high on the list to go visit with a few possible exceptions. Indonesia being the first one that comes to the top of my mind.

The Gulf States as well, but their populations are pretty much majority Indians and Filipinos, rich Europeans, and oil-baron sheiks these days.

Not that I could afford to even have a layover in Dubai, etc.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37506 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:54 am to
Mehmet was nobody's example of a kind and gentle soul, but he was not nearly the butcher or animal as this author suggests. He very much forbade crimes like what was described in this in the Hagia Sophia and other churches . Now, outside of that the Turks were not nearly as reserved.

The Greeks hated/ hate the Turks with every fiber of their being and at least in 1453 the feeling was mutual. So insult after injury would be pretty standard for them. But, that type of behavior was not reserved to just the Turks. About 150 years before, Crusaders did much the same stuff after the Byzantine Emperor could not pay them. They sacked the city real good and did a lot of the same things that the Turks did....only they did not necessarily take slaves....but a lot of women ended up being involuntarily impregnated by French and German crusaders.

But what the author describes of the Turks, in general is what they did after most conquests . When the Seljuk defeated the Emperor at Manzikert 350 years before they went on a hell raising tour of Anatolia stopping in cities and committing lots of rape in particular.....make the area ultimately more "Turkish"

Ironically. Mehmet himself was probably more Balkan (Slavic) than Turkish due to the inter marriage of Turkish princes with the daughters of Christian Balkan nobles. Mehmet was probably 3/4 European by blood. His father, Murad was rumored to be half blood Turkish.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65754 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:56 am to
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So, not here. Our replacement is with latin catholics.


Depends on the area of the country. This is definitely happening in parts of Minnesota.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 10:57 am to
Reminds me of the Viking raids and the accounts written by the English.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26469 posts
Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:04 am to
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That will happen everywhere muslims become a majority.


Lebanon was a Christian oasis that held out until they foolishly allowed Muslims to become a majority in very recent history.
Posted by Figgy
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Member since May 2020
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Posted on 7/9/24 at 11:06 am to
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The Gulf States as well, but their populations are pretty much majority Indians and Filipinos, rich Europeans, and oil-baron sheiks these days.


That’s true! But I prefer more tropical locations to the desert. So Indonesia beats Dubai. lol.
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