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Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:29 pm to rmnldr
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I’m gonna sound like a goober boomer but through the pop-culture. It’s ubiquitous in hip-hop that seemingly 85%+ of young people listen to.
The outlaw mythos has always been strong in American culture. Don't dismiss the added allure of the illegality itself. A more or less safe way to walk the outlaw trail.
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I think it should be but there needs to be clear information on what kind of damage it can cause.
There's no doubt that a great many people abuse it through overuse but there are also a great many angry, bitter people whose quality of life would be greatly improved by a joint now and then.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:29 pm to stout
I've seen a couple of old timers coming off alcohol, while I was detoxing off opiates and still thought to myself "damn, at least I'm not detoxing off alcohol."
Silver linings and shite
Silver linings and shite
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:32 pm to saint tiger225
I see. But we’re also debating in the extremes at that point.
I think marijuana should be legal but shouldn’t be in a rehab.
I also think alcohol shouldn’t be in any rehab.
The damage they do are different and I understand how horrible alcohol is.
Maybe that’s the problem in my arguments is that by talking about rehab facilities that we are already arguing in the extreme realms of addiction
I should probably just bow out now. I don’t have an addictive personality and am probably not educated enough in this to make any coherent arguments.
I’m also personally biased in that I’m angered by the fact that premium cigars have been vilified while cannabis seems to be perpetually destigmatized.
I think marijuana should be legal but shouldn’t be in a rehab.
I also think alcohol shouldn’t be in any rehab.
The damage they do are different and I understand how horrible alcohol is.
Maybe that’s the problem in my arguments is that by talking about rehab facilities that we are already arguing in the extreme realms of addiction
I should probably just bow out now. I don’t have an addictive personality and am probably not educated enough in this to make any coherent arguments.
I’m also personally biased in that I’m angered by the fact that premium cigars have been vilified while cannabis seems to be perpetually destigmatized.
This post was edited on 7/1/23 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:34 pm to stout
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What about the other drugs that are used? They are more addictive than MJ. As 225 mentioned Suboxone is very hard to ween off of but it is still safer than meth obviously and is widely prescribed to treat addicts. It also turns some people into zombies as I said and they have a hard time completing simple tasks.
IMO MJ is a better treatment than suboxone but I am no Dr or addict.
If someone is in a facility then the only treatment they should receive are drugs for which cold turkey withdrawals can be very harmful or fatal, like in the case of benzodiazepines. I am of the opinion that anything else is counterproductive to the final goal of sobriety.
I agree switching a meth addict to a pothead is a lot easier than getting them sober. And being a pothead ain't that bad, I just think the point of sober living facilities should be to get people sober and free of dependency.
Outside of facilities, where people can't be monitored or controlled, yeah maybe weed is a more quick fix harm reduction.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:35 pm to rmnldr
Just to be clear, this bill says sober living facilities, which are different from rehabs.
I love a good cigar on a nice weekend after a good bowl.
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I’m also personally biased in that I’m angered by the fact that premium cigars have been vilified while cannabis seems to be perpetually destigmatized.
I love a good cigar on a nice weekend after a good bowl.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:38 pm to rmnldr
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I’ve been having Biblical debates lately about whether drinking alcohol is inherently sinful in nature
Lol no. Potential for abuse, sure.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:39 pm to saint tiger225
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Just to be clear, this bill says sober living facilities, which are different from rehabs.
Further cements my ignorance to the subject. I apologize for making any dumb arguments
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:39 pm to efrad
I think you're confusing a sober living facility with a medical facility. Also, most sober living facilities are privately owned and are not the ones prescribing anything.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:42 pm to rmnldr
You're good man. At least you're in here openly debating something you may not fully agree with. That's respectable.
More knowledge is better. The people who choose to remain stupid on subjects are the ones I have issues with (myself included in that
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More knowledge is better. The people who choose to remain stupid on subjects are the ones I have issues with (myself included in that
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:51 pm to stout
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marijuana
Marijuana is a sign societal decay.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:54 pm to rmnldr
quote:quote:Very interesting take. I’d like to hear more about it if you’re willing.
For the record, I'd say alcohol is overly glorified, too, and I'd much prefer people use cannabis products over alcohol products.
I’ve been having Biblical debates lately about whether drinking alcohol is inherently sinful in nature and it’s led to some arguments like this.
Drinking alcohol is harmful to your health and more recent studies show that harm greatly outweighs all those health benefits you hear people repeat (much like cannabis people do, but it's much more mainstream). It's ubiquitous to the point of being considered completely normal.
But I've had fantastic times drinking with friends or smoking weed and vibing at a music festival. Those experiences have enriched my overall life far beyond whatever small damage may have been done by responsible use of these substances. It is possible to use these substances for a net gain which is why I believe they should be legal and not considered sinful in and of themselves.
I've been to many drinking-centric parties, hangouts, family gatherings, etc. and I've been to many weed-centric parties, hangouts, and yes, even family gatherings (discreet vapes and edibles are starting to become a lowkey thing at some family gatherings for both my wife's family and mine). I think the weed-centric gatherings always end with less negative factors.
As for sin... it's when people over-indulge that it becomes a sin (for the religious) or a vice (for anyone). For the purpose of discussion I'll define over-indulgent as becoming dependent on something or having use interfere with your purpose and goals in life. Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins, and it applies to food, drink, drugs, etc.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 2:55 pm to stout
Jon Ham will be here shortly to tell us how great this is 
Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:05 pm to efrad
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I've been to many drinking-centric parties, hangouts, family gatherings, etc. and I've been to many weed-centric parties, hangouts, and yes, even family gatherings (discreet vapes and edibles are starting to become a lowkey thing at some family gatherings for both my wife's family and mine). I think the weed-centric gatherings always end with less negative factors
A Dothraki wedding without at least three deaths is considered a full affair.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:09 pm to stout
This was always my biggest concern with desantis. Huge fan and have hated trumps bullshite tactics against him. But Ron is likely way too conservative for todys “new normal”
Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:20 pm to stout
OK for those in the thread, don't attack me for asking this. Now I have nothing against weed, recreational or medical as long as its treated as alcohol as far as driving and on the job and stuff. I have never smoked weed ( never had a desire to ) or taken any drugs other than what was prescribed to me by a Dr and I rarely will even finish a script. It just seems to me that someone in a drug rehab facility using weed would be a slippery slope. I know people say that weed isn't physically addictive and that may be true. I bet though it is mentally addictive to someone already hooked on other stuff. So is it kind of the lesser of two evils kind of thing? Then you get them off the weed later?
Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:26 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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know people say that weed isn't physically addictive and that may be true. I bet though it is mentally addictive to someone already hooked on other stuff.
As an addiction it's comparable to coffee. You'll miss it but it'll hardly destroy your life.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 3:26 pm to rmnldr
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You don’t like a conservative doing conservative things. Just admit it.
This isn't a small gov conservative move, you have the state dictating medical care
Posted on 7/1/23 at 4:15 pm to stout
I don't know anything about "Recovery Residences", but I would think they probably ban alcohol, which makes perfect sense. This isn't any different.
Posted on 7/1/23 at 4:29 pm to rmnldr
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You don’t like a conservative doing conservative things. Just admit it.
It’s conservative to restrict the use of a plant or tax the living shite out of it?
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