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re: Department of education, list of exclusions of professional degrees and student loan caps
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:16 pm to Privateer 2007
Posted on 11/22/25 at 10:16 pm to Privateer 2007
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In no world is engineering or physical science (chemistry, physics etc) a professional degree. Professional degree implies regulated industry like healthcare or law.
How can you say engineering is not a regulated industry when you have to have a license to work in that profession!?
What type of none sense is that
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:40 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Medicine
Pharmacy
Dentistry
Optometry
Law
Veterinary medicine
Osteopathic medicine
Podiatry
Chiropractic
Theology
Clinical psychology
One of these is not like the others...
Take theology off and its fine.
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Architects
Mostly do the 5 year undergrad anyway.
Im not concerned about engineering usually the companies beg us, and pay us to pick up another degree...
Posted on 11/23/25 at 5:21 am to Narax
That is the dumbest list, is it still run by a Biden appointee?
Trump needs to fire whoever came up with that list
Trump needs to fire whoever came up with that list
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:36 am to Tiger2712
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I think they think the cost will come down if they can’t get it from students through the government loans
There's been a nursing shortage for a long time, but it pales in comparison to the doctor shortage. Along with that, RNs help bridge that a little.
That said, you don't lower the cost of something by lowering the supply so expect the shortage of nurses to grow and thus add to the rise in the cost of healthcare.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:37 am to AirbusDawg
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I guess we just won't have doctors in the future? This is so stupid. Med school I guess is just a thing of the past, because most are well north of $50k per year. Glad my daughter graduates very soon.
They can still get private loans.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 7:42 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Can we get a full list of occupations where those with 1/10th training and experience with significantly lower standards end up being much better?
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:18 am to theronswanson
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Chiropractor lobby doing work. Those quack schools shouldn’t get a dime of federal student loans.
The village idiot has arrived in the thread.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:19 am to udtiger
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It should be illegal for them to refer to themselves as doctors.
And there's his sidekick.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:28 am to onmymedicalgrind
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Should have been removed. Total nonsense.
I can't say I'm surprised by these responses with the average IQ what it is on this board, but maybe I can offer some real world experience.
I used to own medical clinics. We specialized in joint and spine pain. But with a twist. We didn't just run people through the "pain management" mill, giving them opioids and useless injections. We tried to actually help them get better.
I employed M.D.s, D.Os, D.C., and N.P.s.
The chiropractors were always better than any of the other providers at reading x-rays.
It wasn't even close, really.
They also had way more acumen in the thought process of actually helping patients improve rather than just treating their symptoms. (This was a team approach model, where the various providers all worked with the same patients, so they would regularly meet and discuss each case with everyone having input and the Medical Director making the final care decisions).
Patients who did not receive chiropractic care along with the other treatments prescribed routinely failed to achieve as much improvement as those who did.
So much so that my first medical director (a double board certified neurologist) recognized this on his own and started collaborating with the chiropractor more than any other resource we had. By the time he left, he respected that chiropractor more than anyone else there.
The "'Muh Quack" nonsense is the mindset of an ignorant idiot. From 75 years ago.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:32 am to Bard
NPs are perceived as “better” because their time is, literally, worth less.
An hour with a NP costs less than 15 min with many specialists.
An hour with a NP costs less than 15 min with many specialists.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 10:17 am to theronswanson
Some chiropractors are very good. Some are not.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:23 am to LSUTANGERINE
One thing this list does is once again exposes the level at which government is involved in funding education.
The uproar from people (outside of this board) that I know who consider themselves conservatives need to take a step back and think about what this is doing.
The government has been influencing the pipeline of students for particular fields over others for years. If you’ve tried to get in to see a specialist in the past decade, yes, we need more, and we need more mid level providers who can see patients for small things while the tough cases go to full docs.
That being said, is it the government’s role to do this? That depends on your opinion. If the federal government is going to direct resources to these fields, it’s no longer conservatism.
The uproar from people (outside of this board) that I know who consider themselves conservatives need to take a step back and think about what this is doing.
The government has been influencing the pipeline of students for particular fields over others for years. If you’ve tried to get in to see a specialist in the past decade, yes, we need more, and we need more mid level providers who can see patients for small things while the tough cases go to full docs.
That being said, is it the government’s role to do this? That depends on your opinion. If the federal government is going to direct resources to these fields, it’s no longer conservatism.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:27 am to ds_engineer
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So theology is more of a professional degree that engineering or architecture?
Well, it’s a matter of belief.
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:30 am to onmymedicalgrind
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onmymedicalgrind
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