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Dems claim President Trump did commit obstruction

Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:32 am
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:32 am
The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a POTUS can't be indicted while in office.

They are even claiming the Mueller report's main conclusion was that there was enough evidence of obstruction not to exonerate President Trump from an obstruction charge.

Boy, I can't wait to hear Barr's and Mueller's response to that claim.

This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 9:52 am
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:33 am to
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The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller's didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted while in office.


Barr was asked this question at the press conference. And he explicitly stated this was NOT the case.

Fake News.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:34 am to
James Comey and Andrew McCabe disagree.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51805 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:35 am to
Ok, so impeach and indict him for it.


I dare you.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:35 am to
'muh russians' has crashed and burned

so the narrative of the moment is 'muh obstruction'

when that gets blow up they will move back to 'muh emoluments'


That's how they roll in clownworld.


This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 9:38 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:36 am to
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The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller's didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted while in office.


Mueller does state this.

quote:

They are even claiming the Mueller report's main conclusion was that there was enough evidence of obstruction not to exonerate President Trump from an obstruction charge.


But this is a reach.


I believe Mueller was 50/50 on whether obstruction occurred especially with the private Comey conversations.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:38 am to
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The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller's didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted while in office.

Are they asserting he obstructed all by himself??
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:39 am to
quote:

The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller's didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted while in office.


quote:

Barr was asked this question at the press conference. And he explicitly stated this was NOT the case.



Dums are saying Barr is lying to protect President Trump and that Mueller will state that was the real reason why he didn't indict President Trump for obstruction when he testifies before Congress.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:39 am to
I'm surprised they haven't blamed the demise of the dinosaurs on him.
This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 11:21 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:43 am to
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Dums are saying Barr is lying to protect President


It’s not a lying or not lying thing. Prosecutors/AGs are tasked with determining whether legal findings are enough to warrant charges. Two separate prosecutors can view things differently. Mueller specifically states in his report that he is doing away with this level of prosecutorial discretion because the DOJ can’t indict a sitting President regardless of the findings.

Also, people are focusing on the ten counts of obstruction naturally but are wholly ignoring the potential Constitutional and other legal defenses - the primary one being that the US President controls the Executive Branch and as a result it may be constitutionally impossible for him to obstructing an investigation under his purview.
This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 9:44 am
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:46 am to
So, name me one part of the investigation he obstructed, just one....?
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:46 am to
He obstructed an investigation into a crime he didn’t commit.

Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:47 am to
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it may be constitutionally impossible for him to obstructing an investigation under his purview.




that, and the fact that there was no crime to "obstruct" the investigation of
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:48 am to
quote:

The Dums are now claiming the real reason why Mueller's didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted while in office.


quote:

Are they asserting he obstructed all by himself??


Apparently.

Abrams is on little Georgey's show right now asserting the only reason why Mueller didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted.

Posted by Johnpettigrew
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2017
1633 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:48 am to
I am checking out of here (US) when an investigation does not exonerate someone so therefore they are guilty.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:50 am to
From the quotes from the report which I have read, it looks like the “did he or didn’t he commit a crime?” question is close enough to be a judgment call. Did Trump obstruct? Yes. Was it criminal? Could go either way. IMO that’s not enough to indict or impeach. My guess is that this will be the substantive position that the Democrats take as a party.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:50 am to
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the fact that there was no crime to "obstruct" the investigation of




Yep. I would think there would have to be some sort of corrupt intent in order for obstruction to really come into play. If i'm wrong, someone please correct me. I don't see someone who is trying to put an end or at the very least make a fairer investigation to a corrupt investigation by politicized people into crimes that didn't happen as obstructing justice. That's just an innocent man trying to deal with baseless accusations about them.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62421 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:51 am to
Again, what part of the investigation did he obstruct? I’m waiting????
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:52 am to
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Apparently.

Abrams is on little Georgey's show right now asserting the only reason why Mueller didn't indict President Trump for obstruction was because of the DOJ's policy that a sitting POTUS can't be indicted.
Which, even if true, would not prevent charging the people who participated in said obstruction.

So these stupid fricks think Muller has real evidence supporting an obstruction charge that Trump effectively carried out all by his fricking self!
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22796 posts
Posted on 4/19/19 at 9:53 am to


It has been proven the whole investigation was a hoax meant to prevent him from properly governing.

The Dems are claiming obstruction because he constantly called it exactly what it was and wanted it ended. At no point is he worried about covering up the crime that never occurred.
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