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re: Demand for more money to education?? Yeah, screw that.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:06 pm to KiwiHead
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:06 pm to KiwiHead
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And yet you chose to post here.......this site is for students of the 3.0 to 2.0 range, maybe.
Before criticizing everyone on the forum, learn to use proper grammar. According to your assumptions, you are in the 1.8 range, maybe.
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Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:13 pm to ShortyRob
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totally online education
Just imagine the exponential gain when every kid can learn from only the very best (top 1%) of teachers. Already happening in Korea.
Curricula expertly customized to individual students.
This changes the world.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:24 pm to CoachChappy
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Chaff is fine; you just used it several times in this thread. It just made me wonder if it was new to you.
Nah.
I mean, I suppose I could use a different one each time. But, it just seems the appropriate one. It's accurate to the point I want to make without being super insulting like say, using the term "refuse" or something like that.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:27 pm to TigerRad
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Just imagine the exponential gain when every kid can learn from only the very best (top 1%) of teachers. Already happening in Korea.
It's even better than that really.
I often use YouTube as the example.
Your kid is having trouble with Chapter 8 in his Algebra book? Maybe the way it's being explained to him just isn't clicking?
Fine. There are likely 20+ decent teachers who have posted videos online going over THAT exact chapter or at least the exact same concepts. In some cases, hundreds of teachers.
Any semi-motivated parent/child can find one that seems to teach on their wavelength. The era of, "but my teacher doesn't explain it well" has moved from "possibly true" to just something lazy people say.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:36 pm to CoachChappy
How is standardized testing at fault?
If anything it prevents the worst thing in education, just passing some kid along grade after grade till he ends up in 12th grade with a 4th grade reading level.
It is standardized testing that can stop teachers from just "getting rid" of the slower kids by making them sit for an extra year.
If anything it prevents the worst thing in education, just passing some kid along grade after grade till he ends up in 12th grade with a 4th grade reading level.
It is standardized testing that can stop teachers from just "getting rid" of the slower kids by making them sit for an extra year.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:53 pm to Eurocat
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If anything it prevents the worst thing in education, just passing some kid along grade after grade till he ends up in 12th grade with a 4th grade reading level.
This still happens. Believe me!
My point about standardized test are that we teach to the test and teach the test instead of focusing on the individual student. Yes, we have RTI and student growth plans, but we don;t have as much time to focus on that, because we are getting ready for the test.
This year, we spent 6 weeks testing when you account for the 2 diagnostics and interim tests. That's 1/6 of the school year just testing! That is all time we could have used focusing on student's needs. I am a teacher and I understand that the current model of education is failing and dying. One way to save it is to remove these stupid worthless tests. We need to get back to educating children, not data mining them. We need to adapt with the changing world. Standardized test belong in the "everyone must go to college" world.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:58 pm to CoachChappy
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We need to adapt with the changing world. Standardized test belong in the "everyone must go to college" world.
Standardized testing is more along the lines of "everyone who graduates High School must know a certain amount of things otherwise the high school diploma is worthless". It has nothing to do with college.
I am sorry, but if you graduate from High School I want you reading at a 12th grade level, not an 11th grade level, if you are at that level you need to repeat the 12th grade.
BTW in many countries it is not unusual for High Schools to have students in their early 20s in them. I graduated my High School in Germany with a 22 year old who got left back three times but pushed on through. Now he's an architect which he never would have become had he just been passed along.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 1:59 pm to CoachChappy
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My point about standardized test are that we teach to the test and teach the test instead of focusing on the individual student.
No. This is stupid.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:05 pm to the808bass
What we should do each year is change the style of test so it cannot be prepared for. Just say that the 9th grade test will be about World War Two.
Then surprise the kids (and teachers) with the test the day of the test.
Make it multiple choice one year and then throw a curve and make it an essay test the next year. Have an oral companent like they do in Germany where the student can choose one subject to be graded 50% on an oral exam graded by a commission (his teacher, the department head or principle and one teacher from a completely different school that will prevent teacher from biased grading for "nice" kids or "nasty" kids).
Then surprise the kids (and teachers) with the test the day of the test.
Make it multiple choice one year and then throw a curve and make it an essay test the next year. Have an oral companent like they do in Germany where the student can choose one subject to be graded 50% on an oral exam graded by a commission (his teacher, the department head or principle and one teacher from a completely different school that will prevent teacher from biased grading for "nice" kids or "nasty" kids).
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:07 pm to Eurocat
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I am sorry, but if you graduate from High School I want you reading at a 12th grade level, not an 11th grade level,
There is no where in this country where all graduates are reading on a 12th grade level.
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, if you are at that level you need to repeat the 12th grade.
We would have 25 year-olds in 3rd grade.
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BTW in many countries it is not unusual for High Schools to have students in their early 20s in them. I graduated my High School in Germany with a 22 year old who got left back three times but pushed on through.
Other countries also have apprenticeship programs and an education system that prepares students for that line of learning. We are still preparing everyone with the same information which is on a college bound track.
This post was edited on 5/14/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:09 pm to CoachChappy
This is something we should consider changing.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 2:10 pm to Eurocat
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This is something we should consider changing.
I 100% agree. Believe it or not, Louisiana is actually making strides in that direction with the Jump-start program. I think that it needs to be expanded.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 3:38 pm to i am dan
Yeh, double screw that liberal BS......... 
Posted on 5/14/18 at 8:45 pm to i am dan
All this teaching to a test has effectively dumbed down kids who have to attend public schools.
Politicians need to stay out of the classroom.
Politicians need to stay out of the classroom.
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:01 pm to Radler_the_weinerdog
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And Abraham Lincoln wrote on the back of shovel! Your overhead projector education should be ashamed!
Why can’t we just go back to cutting each other open and spraying blood on the cave wall???? It’s not like technology would ever improve on education!
What does this bullshite have to do with the incredible waste in our education system?
Posted on 5/14/18 at 9:05 pm to i am dan
Look at Louisiana higher education system. We have way too many colleges way too close together. We could close probably 5 colleges and not even skip a beat.
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