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re: DEA reports fentanyl pill deaths are dropping fast under President Trump

Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:19 pm to
Stout, you seem up to speed on this. What is the basis for the President's claim that every boat we blow up saves 25,000 people?

This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted by AlterEd
Cydonia, Mars
Member since Dec 2024
3350 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:24 pm to
Why don't we see BunkMoronland, RogerTheQueefer, or SlowRetardPro in threads like this? Is it because they're dishonest hacks?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179695 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:26 pm to
That's just Trump being Trump

If that were true, and you do the math, the number of boats we have blown up far exceeds the number of OD deaths per year

I don't think there is a sound way to claim a fixed “lives saved” number per boat

Still, everyone should be for fewer drugs making their way here. Especially Dems who told us "if the vax saves just one life..."
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8976 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:27 pm to


Thanks
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35613 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl.

What an amusingly ignorant and truncated perspective.

Like saying Mexico has nothing to do with MS13 violence in the southwest.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
86294 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl.


Ehh, they don't manufacture cocaine either. Their coast is just used for shipping.

Fentanyl has been brought to the US through Mexico, Canada, Alaska and the Caribbean routes.


This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21521 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:08 pm to
The only people against this are TDS infected idiots or the progressive Marxist Dems.
Anyone falling into either category should be apprehended and forced to leave this country.
That is where we're heading. The globalist, Marxist, and traitorous wll either leave or be dealt with.

I sincerely don't believe this nation will be overtaken. It will come at great cost, but we'll prevail because Jesus is on our side.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71873 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:21 pm to


Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179695 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:30 pm to
You didnt watch the video either
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71873 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:46 pm to
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You didnt watch the video either

I did.

From the Trump admin's own DEA National Drug Threat Assesment released earlier this year:

This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 4:51 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46235 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl.


And the MASSIVE fentanyl seizures under Trump have little to do with Venezuela. What’s your point?
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26271 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

The only people against this are TDS infected idiots or the progressive Marxist Dems. Anyone falling into either category should be apprehended and forced to leave this country. That is where we're heading. The globalist, Marxist, and traitorous wll either leave or be dealt with.


That’s what a good fascist would want to do.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
26271 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 7:14 pm to
quote:

You didn't watch the video.


It’s a fox news thing, I don’t watch their propaganda crap. Of course it would please you though, just exactly what you want to hear I’ll bet.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71873 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:48 pm to
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You didnt watch the video either

And the fact that you posted this clearly shows that you paid no attention to the second pic, with two graphs dealing specifically with fentanyl and fentanyl pill purity, that I posted. It directly addresses what was in the video, and the information is from Trump's current DEA. The purity of both powder fentanyl and fentanyl pills coming into the US has been on an overall downward trend since mid-2023.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71873 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:59 pm to
quote:

And the MASSIVE fentanyl seizures under Trump have little to do with Venezuela. What’s your point?

Over the past four years we have averaged over 49 thousand pounds of fentanyl seized, including at the Fed, State and Local level. The high water mark was over 64 thousand pounds in 2023.

The official mid-year update back in June from the DEA (only the Fed total) had them a little behind the pace for powder and pill fentanyl seizures for the year.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46235 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:13 pm to
Credit to the Biden administration for doing a good job seizing fentanyl, especially that last year in office
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71873 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

Credit to the Biden administration for doing a good job seizing fentanyl, especially that last year in office

Yeah, there was effort being put in and it was showing up in other areas that are tracked.
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3634 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:32 pm to
quote:

Venezuela has nothing to do with fentanyl.


If it was proven true beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump
had decreased Fentanyl deaths (it seems true) you would rather
literally eat shite rather than admit it.

So why don’t you just be quiet?

Can’t you see that your opinion has no weight?
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17755 posts
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:10 pm to
While he is doing work, the real reason was El Chapos son putting a stamp on this months ago.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37604 posts
Posted on 12/10/25 at 4:25 am to
So your theory is that droning Venezuelan boats caused the overdose decline? The first question writes itself. How did a tactic that only entered the political bloodstream a few months ago cause a decline that clearly begins in late 2023. Effects do not run backward in time. That is not politics. That is basic causality.

Next problem. When has fentanyl ever moved primarily by sea from Venezuela into the United States? It has not. For years the dominant supply chain has been chemical precursors from China, synthesis in cartel labs in Mexico, and land transport across the southern border. Pills are not coming across the Caribbean like it is 1985. Repeating the same lie every single fricking day doesn't make it true.

Another question that won't get answered, because it kills your entire fantasy outright: If interdiction is what drove the decline, why did fentanyl seizures not just continue, but explode to all time records during the exact period deaths were falling. Not a plateau. Not a slowdown. Not a hesitation. Record after record after record. You do not set seizure records in a collapsing market. You set seizure records in an overfed one. Supply did not collapse. Availability did not collapse. Distribution did not collapse. The market stayed fully saturated, which means fewer people were already dying in a world where availability remained historically high. That doesn't indicate enforcement. It indicates survivability.

What changed is that people stopped dying at the same rate while still using fent. Naloxone went from a limited emergency tool to near universal availability. Fent test strips became widely adopted. Treatment access was expanded. Those things scaled nationally from 2022 through 2024 and the curve followed right after, just like public health predicts when saturation is reached.

The boat story persists because it is emotionally necessary for maga . It externalizes blame, flatters enforcement, and lets people pretend a complex medical and social problem was solved with drones and tough talk. It's a war movie narrative for a spreadsheet problem.

The decline started before the boat narrative existed, fentanyl does not move by Venezuelan sea routes, and seizures kept rising while deaths fell. That means the cause is medical saturation, not military fantasy. Facts do not care how often your narritive gets reposted.

Call me a lib, call me a prog, say I support drugs, say I hate cops, say whatever helps you keep your jersey clean in front of your crowd. You guys are very good at that part. You can posture as white hats in a movie you made up and pretend this is about good guys and bad guys instead of causes and evidence. But what none of you can do, despite any noise, crying, or gnashing of teeth, is show where any of my analysis is wrong. No timeline rebuttal. No supply chain rebuttal. No seizure data rebuttal. Just emotions, ad homs, slogans, and a new thread tomorrow.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 5:58 am
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