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re: Dash cam video of Philando Castile killing

Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299008 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:41 pm to
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I prefer more of a consensus. I suspect the results would be similar.


A football board of Southerners on the police shooting of a black man? Wow. Hard to tell where they're gonna come down on this one. I hope that your intellectual company gives you great solace.


Traditional southerners are bootlickers by training
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:43 pm to
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It's fun watching you use this like I'm part of any "group" here.


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I prefer more of a consensus


You keep being you.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:45 pm to
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You keep being you.


Gladly.

So, we're right back where we started.

My nomination:

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Which isn't the officer he quoted.

Which isn't the officer he quoted.

Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:47 pm to
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It's absurd that cops seem to think their ROE should be that of a combat zone.


All of the use of force policies I have read for AL LE Agencies real almost verbatim like the affirmative defense of self-defense for civilians in AL. This is a good thing in my opinion.

The agency that I worked for last followed the statute, the agencies I worked to prior to last one had similar policies, and now that I am on the other side the agencies that I have looked into (granted not every agency) read very similarly.

The statute I reference is 13A-3-23. Any person that carries a firearm in AL in any capacity should familiarize themselves with this statute or stop carrying a firearm.

13A-3-23 As Published by the State of AL

Compare the above to your own state's legislation and then compare it to the policies of the LE agency(s) you interact with. Happy motoring.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:48 pm to
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Have you read the DAs statements?


Well, the DA is bringing the case. Their take might be slightly biased.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:50 pm to
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Everybody in this country wants "Supercops". But nobody wants to pay for it.

Infantry Privates in Afghanistan were expected to operate under ROEs that placed them at greater risk than the typical cop seems to think he should endure. And those privates make a LOT less and are working in actual war zones.

I don't really expect super cops. And, like I said, I wouldn't have found this guy guilty.

But, for frick's sake. Quite often, the simplest solution to "I'm scared shitless" is to back up.

I watched 100 pound woman with a 6" knife gunned down on video while surrounded by 4 cops including 3 men over 200lbs. The woman was literally mentally ill in need of treatment and might actually have been a decent human had she gotten the treatment.

In another situation, a butter knife wielding, Yes, I said BUTTER KNIVE wielding 91 year old in need of back surgery was gunned down by the 2 cops called to the nursing home to assist. I mean frick. The nursing home would have been better off calling 2 bubbas.

That's just bull shite.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:51 pm to
Yup. fricked that one up. Not a secret.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:51 pm to
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All of the use of force policies I have read for AL LE Agencies real almost verbatim like the affirmative defense of self-defense for civilians in AL.
OK

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This is a good thing in my opinion
NO it fricking isn't. Are you nuts? Think that shite through.

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:52 pm to
Yep. Owning it doesn't negate it.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:54 pm to
Thank god those officers went home safely.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:54 pm to
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NO it fricking isn't. Are you nuts? Think that shite through.


Deadly force is deadly force regardless of who wields it. I for one, do not want agents of the state having more leeway than civilians. That is the definition of tyranny.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:55 pm to
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Deadly force is deadly force regardless of who wields it. I for one, do not want agents of the state having more leeway than civilians.

The SHOULD have less.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:58 pm to
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The SHOULD have less.


That sounds equitable.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:58 pm to
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But, for frick's sake. Quite often, the simplest solution to "I'm scared shitless" is to back up.


The police are under no obligation to "back up" and you don't really want them to do you? I mean think of all the times police have ran TOWARDS gun fire to protect truly innocent people. Would you have preferred they "backed up" too?

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:59 pm to
I think he wants civilians to have less (which they practically do).
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299008 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:00 pm to
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The police are under no obligation to "back up" and you don't really want them to do you? I mean think of all the times police have ran TOWARDS gun fire to protect truly innocent people. Would you have preferred they "backed up" too?


I expect them to. They are under no obligation to protect me, as it should be.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128773 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:01 pm to
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The police are under no obligation to "back up"


If the choice is "back up" or shoot the 85 lb. bipolar kid armed with a screwdriver in his house, they should shoot?
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:02 pm to
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I think he wants civilians to have less (which they practically do).


Not in this state. I want everyone to be on equal footing with the use of deadly force due to the misapplication of the force tending to end in a permanent result.

Not to mention, it chips at the "us vs them" dynamic.
Posted by graves1
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Mar 2011
2167 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:04 pm to
So your saying poorly trained officers made bad judgement calls on those two cases. Me too. But we spend more time focusing on the Castile type cases because of the race hustlers. And less time focusing on areas that need to be addressed.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:06 pm to
Was the officer's defense "he was going for his gun"?
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