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re: CSU professor will remain employed despite controversial remarks about Charlie Kirk...

Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20204 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:30 pm to
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That’s a matter of opinion. Drawing together that he has said that school shooting deaths are a price for our 2A rights is a fact.


This tells me you never watched the entire conversation he had on that matter.

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He was derisive and said hateful things on occasion.


Give specific examples (the whole example) of what derisive or hateful things he said…..(hint you can not find it unless you take snippets of what he was saying)

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He’s got a lot of soundbites that many would not condone or agree with on record.


I bet you still believe Trump fake “fine people” lie.

You sir may be a true mental midget
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
22981 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:31 pm to
I did not realize he sanctioned gun violence but I do know Charlie Kirk sanctioned gun ownership. We can not ever, ever give up our guns, ever!!
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
70686 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:32 pm to
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I wouldn’t dare paraphrase a quote on the fly with such strenuous editorial peer review regarding citations such as you find on tiger droppings dot com.


So you don't actually know what he said.

That's about right.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
46981 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:34 pm to
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I feel like a certain demographic is trying to shape the narrative around Kirk to white wash him a bit to fool unwitting people into thinking he’s like MLK.


Charlie was 100 times the person than MLK, a serial philanderer and Communist.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13219 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:34 pm to
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So you don't actually know what he said. That's about right.


I don’t work for you. I feel like I’ve went over this with you in the past. I don’t owe you shite. And anything I quote you’ll just do the classic “that isn’t hate that’s just telling it like it is” line anyway.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
1628 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:37 pm to
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I don’t owe you shite


Yeah, doesn’t feel good when you get caught in a lie, does it?
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
27294 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:37 pm to
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Quit being crybabies


STFU! You people started this shite. Canceling people, removing statues all because you got your feelings hurt.

Sorry our side has finally learned to play by your rules.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17198 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:38 pm to
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Drawing together that he has said that school shooting deaths are a price for our 2A rights is a fact.


You people are so fricking retarded. This logic applies to ALL liberties, not just guns. Favoring liberty fundamentally necessitates the recognition of tradeoffs when some people violate laws. But oh, if someone doesn’t conclude that we have to ban guns after any instance of gun violence, then obviously they are just asking to be murdered. fricking pathetic and disingenuous rats, the lot of you.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
70686 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:38 pm to
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I don’t work for you. I feel like I’ve went over this with you in the past. I don’t owe you shite. And anything I quote you’ll just do the classic “that isn’t hate that’s just telling it like it is” line anyway.


Like I said, I don't blame guns or gun rights for Kirk's death.

I blame simpletons like yourself, the people who lie and claim someone is "hateful" and then you admit that you don't even know exactly what he said.

You are everything that's wrong with this country.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20204 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:38 pm to
Maybe this fine young man would be able to educate you about sound bites you have been listening to:

Debunking the narrative on X

Posted by DustInTheWind
Member since Sep 2016
907 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:42 pm to
The world has lost its mind. Filled with monsters. Murder has become an acceptable answer to political differences.

Honestly it’s always been this way in one way or the other. This decade is just by far the worst in many of our lifetimes. And there’s no sign of recovery. I wish I was in my 70s or 80s knowing I wouldn’t have to see this future.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13219 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:44 pm to
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Like I said, I don't blame guns or gun rights for Kirk's death. I blame simpletons like yourself, the people who lie and claim someone is "hateful" and then you admit that you don't even know exactly what he said. You are everything that's wrong with this country.


I’m only admitting I don’t keep a list of Charlie Kirk quotes on the ready because it’s not that important. Sure, I am mostly basing it on stuff people share with me of a more centrist to liberal position. However, I would say that if you’re qualifying that people should find primary source non-sound bite records to verify positions on a politician then this board would be a ghost town.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
20198 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:46 pm to
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I don’t see anything wrong with that quote. He basically just said I don’t agree with Kirk on many issues but his murder is wrong.


Aside from the numerous mischaracterizations and factual errors that he made because he obviously didn’t do any research, yeah, that was pretty mild.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Member since Dec 2019
70686 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:49 pm to
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I’m only admitting I don’t keep a list of Charlie Kirk quotes on the ready because it’s not that important. 


It's pretty important to know what was said when you're throwing around the accusations that you have.

That's just a core tenet of personal responsibility.

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Sure, I am mostly basing it on stuff people share with me of a more centrist to liberal position.


And those people, like you, are either too lazy or dishonest to examine what was actually said.

And now someone is dead because of that very behavior.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13219 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:51 pm to
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Aside from the numerous mischaracterizations and factual errors that he made because he obviously didn’t do any research, yeah, that was pretty mild.


Those are matters of opinion and not matters of inciting and glorifying or making light of political violence. Thats simply not a fireable offense in my humble opinion. Though I think some things are best left unsaid at this time. The critical biography or hagiography of Kirk probably should wait.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13261 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:53 pm to
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English professor


Looks Chinese to me
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128778 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 5:54 pm to
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Drawing together that he has said that school shooting deaths are a price for our 2A rights is a fact.


He compared it to automobile deaths. Do you ever think we should stop having cars because of automobile deaths?

You don’t?

You fricking bigot.

You’re a fricking idiot who thinks he is smart. “I’m a moderate.” You’re a dumb chode who likes to rant about things you haven’t thought about with any depth because you’re about 2 inches deep.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21196 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 6:01 pm to
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He was derisive and said hateful things on occasion. Some may think he was misogynistic. He’s got a lot of soundbites that many would not condone or agree with on record.
I can’t imagine being a man and white knighting this hard to defend the killing of Charlie Kirk.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
13219 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 6:06 pm to
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It's pretty important to know what was said when you're throwing around the accusations that you have.

That's just a core tenet of personal responsibility.


Friends of mine of a more conservative persuasion have posted just the opposite though. Positive soundbites from audience questions for life advice. Messages of hope that I actually kinda feel as a man in his 30s similar to Kirk at his passing.

He is a complicated man. I'm just saying that what this professor said could be reasonably argued to be a fair opinion albeit one that some would call a mischaracterization. Pulling quotes are unnecessary because that very argument is a sign that we're debating opinion to ascertain fact. We're not talking about direct incitement or glorification of political violence as many of these other terminations have been. Sure, some will say "but these mischaracterization are what murdered him" and that's just too much of a speech curtailing slippery slope for me. Perhaps that is my libertarian inclinations coming out but so be it. There is plenty of room in a civil society for people to be wrong.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35500 posts
Posted on 9/16/25 at 6:07 pm to
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He was derisive and said hateful things on occasion


Learn the difference between hateful and declaring inconvenient truths.

He was only divisive because he largely spoke the truth in an upside down world.
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