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re: Correlation: Prayer out of schools to increase in mass shootings
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:45 am to bayoumuscle21
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:45 am to bayoumuscle21
I don't think it's necessarily prayer being the issue as much as it is a symptom of the real problem: the rejection of God in the public square.
Christians had a big influence on the culture in this country for a long, long time. As that influence of Christianity started waning and the influence of humanistic worldviews took root, we started seeing a fast decline in morality. Since the 60's, open sexuality has flourished. We went from seeing homosexuality as an immoral practice (and even a mental illness) to getting preference above religious convictions. Abortion became a staple of American "family planning" during that time, as well.
I expect this to only get worse as the Christian influence continues to evaporate in our culture. It won't be long until every thing the Church holds dear is openly attacked and Christianity is forced into the shadows due to its teachings being viewed as dangerous to the worldview of the age.
Christians had a big influence on the culture in this country for a long, long time. As that influence of Christianity started waning and the influence of humanistic worldviews took root, we started seeing a fast decline in morality. Since the 60's, open sexuality has flourished. We went from seeing homosexuality as an immoral practice (and even a mental illness) to getting preference above religious convictions. Abortion became a staple of American "family planning" during that time, as well.
I expect this to only get worse as the Christian influence continues to evaporate in our culture. It won't be long until every thing the Church holds dear is openly attacked and Christianity is forced into the shadows due to its teachings being viewed as dangerous to the worldview of the age.
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Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:52 am to bayoumuscle21
Stop trying to force religion on others. Its annoying and is what Muhammad would do
Posted on 2/27/18 at 1:57 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:I don't think you understand what you're saying.
Stop trying to force religion on others. Its annoying and is what Muhammad would do
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:01 am to bayoumuscle21
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My hypothesis was/is that the more generations removed without prayer in school, the more shootings,suicides,overdoses and etc.
Social media, 24 hr news cycle, and the internet have far more to do with it than lack of religion in school.
Your hypothesis is stupid.
A sub 1 min downvote at 2 in the morning
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 2:04 am
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:11 am to FooManChoo
Prayer im school is not the issue.
Religion causes more issues than it fixes. Plus its fake and not real. Wrestling is more real.
Religion causes more issues than it fixes. Plus its fake and not real. Wrestling is more real.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:21 am to bayoumuscle21
Home discipline and desensitization to violence has more to do with It.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:30 am to bayoumuscle21
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You really want to debate the number of murders in the 60s and 70s to now?
Is it debatable?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:31 am to FooManChoo
quote:good. perfect. thats certainly the goal of people like me. the world cannot be rid of this stone age superstition fast enough.
It won't be long until ... Christianity is forced into the shadows due to its teachings being viewed as dangerous to the worldview of the age.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:33 am to bayoumuscle21
quote:there is so much wrong in this one, short sentence, that if you were trying to do it intentionally Id think you were brilliant.
I haven't heard of mythology that had numerous instances of historical evidence, but nice try.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 2:39 am to bayoumuscle21
I agree. People that refuse to appeal to a higher power live meaningless lives. I’d hate to think there’s nothing after life on earth. Even if there isn’t, having faith makes life more fun living.
When we lose faith, and forget about what’s important, we turn into animals.
When we lose faith, and forget about what’s important, we turn into animals.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 3:03 am to BRgetthenet
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I agree. People that refuse to appeal to a higher power live meaningless lives. I’d hate to think there’s nothing after life on earth. Even if there isn’t, having faith makes life more fun living.
When we lose faith, and forget about what’s important, we turn into animals.
The counter argument would be that recognizing we only have a limited life span and not believing in a fairy tale ending allows one focus on enjoying the here and now. To some that may seem like a more enjoyable existence than attempting to appease a non existent deity.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:30 am to Seeing Grey
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To some that may seem like a more enjoyable existence than attempting to appease a non existent deity
Focusing on the here and now isn’t all there is. If you have kids, you’re trying to do something in the here and now to make their future better. Doing those things well makes a lot of people happy. It isn’t always about instant gratification this way. Besides, planning for the future and making other’s lives better is a good way to enjoy our existence, higher power or not.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:33 am to bayoumuscle21
You can still pray in schools. You just can’t force it on kids. Is that what you mean?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:37 am to jacob4bama
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It is a lack of prayer in the homes that is the real issue.
Broken homes rise with the general breakdown of cultural moral fiber.
For a long time in the U.S. that moral fiber was nourished by Christianity.
Jordan Peterson said it very well in his interview last night, we have people who are lost because they lack a purpose.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:38 am to bayoumuscle21
quote:
King David's Proof of Existence
Translation: David Was Here
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:46 am to FooManChoo
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Christian influence continues to evaporate in our culture.
Support. The decline of religious influence is one of the most positive things to happen to our species.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 6:49 am to bayoumuscle21
The removal of a purpose in life and moral relativism don't have to be couched in religion to be discussed.
If your life is meaningless and morals are fluid, then everybody else's life is meaningless so why not shoot a bunch of people and run up a score because nobody is ever going to notice you otherwise?
If your life is meaningless and morals are fluid, then everybody else's life is meaningless so why not shoot a bunch of people and run up a score because nobody is ever going to notice you otherwise?
Posted on 2/27/18 at 7:36 am to bayoumuscle21
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I (a Christian) had a thought. The thought I had, was if there was an increase of school shootings that correlated with the time of prayer being taken out of schools. What I found was unfortunately not surprising. Here are a few articles that can shed some light on that.
The year that prayer was removed from school was 1962, and the chart that starts talking about the increase in mass shootings starts in 1982. I do not this is coincidence.
What I mean by the timing, is that 20 years is about a generation. My hypothesis was/is that the more generations removed without prayer in school, the more shootings,suicides,overdoses and etc.
But yea, blame it on the inanimate objects.
Sadly, your hypothesis is just as rooted in belief as the inanimate object hypothesis.
You're only drawing a correlation between a school shooting frequency and forced prayer, without considering other variables that are also at play.
People draw similar correlations to video games, the rate we medicate our kids, the birth of band members that formed Nickelback, and so on.
But how do you explain the significant DECLINE in murder rate, robbery, and assault over the same period of time? We now live longer. Fewer people now smoke cigarettes. We now have more women in the workplace. We have more women and minorities in management positions than ever before. Are we to now CREDIT the removal of forced prayer for all of those things that have happened?
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 7:39 am
Posted on 2/27/18 at 7:41 am to bayoumuscle21
I think the better correlation is the breakdown of the nuclear family.
Posted on 2/27/18 at 7:58 am to anc
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I think the better correlation is the breakdown of the nuclear family.
This...and the "remote location" of assistance:
My theory -
In the 'little house on the prairie' days...a family moves into an area. They HAVE to be good neighbors. If the farmer down the way gets injured, they MUST assist in getting his crops in for him, etc. If his barn burns down, the community MUST help out.
Why? Because if YOU get sick or injured...you MUST rely on them. Also, to get any "assistance" from your neighbors, you can't have been an a-hole. If you are a decent person...then, a little extra food gets sent your way, etc.
Now, insert a faceless, nameless, powerful Fed Gov that says: Farmer A...you are a great farmer and have plenty of crops. I am going to take a few bushels from you (you can spare it) and give it to Farmer B.
Suddenly, Farmer B can be an absolute a-hole. His sustenance isn't determined by how his neighbor feels about him. The Fed Gov is taking from the neighbor and giving it to him. The Fed Gov doesn't know or care if EITHER is a "nice guy".
It creates resentment in Farmer A and unconcern in Farmer B.
Of course, this is simplified. It is a message board post. But, that is the concept and why I despise the strong Fed Gov.
'Government governs best that governs least.....and CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE'
This post was edited on 2/27/18 at 7:59 am
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