re: Conversation with a liberal about ivermectin

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They're convinced these studies are being suppressed, not that they’re flawed or inconclusive in some way.

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Can’t argue with the webmd’s

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There are a lot of bad doctors out there

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Yep. Critical thinking and scientific method are afterthoughts at best. I find a similar phenomenon in law practice.

We've trained a bunch of technocratic, self-absorbed pedants.

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This is what we're dealing with folks.

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Yep.

Democraps would rather kill the messenger than listen to ANY message

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Do you mind sharing the link to the study?

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Here’s India’s #’s… The graphs and data from the Johns Hopkins University CSSE database do not lie.
India's Ivermectin Blackout

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I’m as conservative as they come on this board but based on this study alone, I would not recommend ivermectin.

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That's fine. You should be able to make this recommendation. Would you prescribe it, if requested?

The problem with this is everyone sites low numbers in the studies to discredit the use. All studies start out with low numbers. With all the media, politicians, and govt doctors shitting all over the "horse paste", how would you ever get a large scale study.

Just observing, between deep south Georgia with ivermectin and Florida with Regeneron, we should know by end of September if either work.

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#1 the number of people included in the study is pretty low. 72 of a potential 113 is not very many in the grand scheme.

#2 They did not include people with serious health conditions, which is important as these are the people that are at most risk for serious illness

#3 The primary outcome is viral clearance and remission of fever. To a clinician, we don’t care about either of these two. A primary endpoint of mortality needs to be the focus for hospitals and doctors to start recommending it.

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So exactly how conservative are you? Would a study group of 26M convince you?

The city of Delhi began mass distribution of invermectin in late April. The results were tracked by John Hopkins.(a) In 28 days the cases dropped 97%. Other jurisdictions saw similar drops. (b)

One jurisdiction that stopped the distribution saw cases and deaths rise 10-fold for the same 28 days.(c) Less than 10 percent of India’s population was fully vaccinated at the time.

India is now the first country on the planet to be recommended to move from pandemic to endemic stage concerning Covid.(d) And yet when Delta broke out, people were being stacked in the streets.(e) But 29 days later . . .


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Among the most prominent examples include the Ivermectin areas of Delhi, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand, and Goa where cases dropped 98%, 97%, 94%, and 86%, respectively.

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c)

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"Your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021.” After Tamil Nadu opted out of Ivermectin, their cases skyrocketed and rose to the highest in India. Tamil Nadu deaths increased ten-fold.

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d)

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Chief Scientist of the World Health Organization Soumya Swaminathan said, "We may be entering some kind of stage of endemicity where there is low-level transmission or moderate level transmission going on but we are not seeing the kinds of exponential growth and peaks that we saw a few months ago in India.”

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e)

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The delta variant is continuing to vex health officials and researchers two months after India’s case numbers touched a horrific peak in May of more than 414,000 daily cases, then suddenly dropped and stabilized.

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I’m conservative enough that my political beliefs shouldn’t affect nor interfere with my recommendations to patients, the way it should be.

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It treats parasites not anti-viral.

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Thats not true. Ivermectin won the Nobel prize in 2015. It is also on the WHOs list of Essential medicines. An NIH study called it a wonder drug, and put its unrealized potential alongside aspirin and penicillin, And was prescribed about 100,000 times a year in the U.S. (of course, before we ever heard of corona). Heres your study:

LINK

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There are few drugs that can seriously lay claim to the title of ‘Wonder drug’, penicillin and aspirin being two that have perhaps had greatest beneficial impact on the health and wellbeing of Mankind. But ivermectin can also be considered alongside those worthy contenders, based on its versatility, safety and the beneficial impact that it has had, and continues to have, worldwide

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A study specifically using ivermectin for covid

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Interpretation: Ivermectin treatment was associated with lower mortality during treatment of COVID-19, especially in patients with severe pulmonary involvement.

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Study that promotes ivermectin to fight tumors

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* Ivermectin effectively suppresses the proliferation and metastasis of cancer cells and promotes cancer cell death at doses that are nontoxic to normal cells.
* Ivermectin shows excellent efficacy against conventional chemotherapy drug-resistant cancer cells and reverses multidrug resistance.
* Ivermectin combined with other chemotherapy drugs or targeted drugs has powerful effects on cancer.

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