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re: Confessions of a Public Defender
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:02 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:02 pm to Navytiger74
By the way, that article by an alleged "public defender" is horseshite. No way it is genuine.
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Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:03 pm to cwill
So what is "made up" on Amren?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:04 pm to VOR
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By the way, that article by an alleged "public defender" is horseshite. No way it is genuine.
No kidding.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:06 pm to Strannix
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Strannix
Oh lawd, I do think we have a true believer here.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:11 pm to Strannix
The column that is linked in the OP for starters. I didn't poke around the site too much. I saw the term "racial realism" and deduced the site was most likely a white supremacist site.
Maybe it isn't. I don't care. But I can say with 100% certainly that the person that wrote the linked column was not a public defender, nor a liberal.
Maybe it isn't. I don't care. But I can say with 100% certainly that the person that wrote the linked column was not a public defender, nor a liberal.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:13 pm to VOR
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Oh lawd, I do think we have a true believer here.
Does anyone here honestly think we don't have some stormfront posters among us? They were pretty bad when a research assignment in college led me to them in 2002, but I was privileged to watch the process of them cleaning up their act (smoothing the edges). Many posts on that site don't read very differently from many here. I actually found a few of their regular posters more courteous than some on TD (and far more honest).
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:16 pm to Navytiger74
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Does anyone here honestly think we don't have some stormfront posters among us?
I have no idea. But there are a few who are the TD equivalent.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:27 pm to Navytiger74
quote:Okay, I will bite, what is this?
stormfront
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:29 pm to VOR
Lol would you consider the racist demagogues who would deify a criminal thug like Michael Brown "true believers"
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:40 pm to Strannix
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So what is "made up" on Amren?
Uh, the fricking article which is the subject of this thread. You believed it because it confirms your belief system...it's why you believe the website is doling out the unvarnished truth. You're revealing a lot about yourself by defending this website.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:43 pm to Joshjrn
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Speaking as a criminal defense attorney, I've found that race has very little to do with it. Those who come from communities that have antagonistic relationships with police tend to be less likely to trust anyone involved in the system, and that includes their attorney. They will indeed ask little quiz questions to make sure you have the faintest idea as to what you're talking about. They will also try to put you on the defensive in an attempt to make sure that they have gotten the best deal the can. Considering the circumstances, I don't think any of that behavior is unreasonable.
Those who, generally, have had positive experiences with law enforcement prior to their arrest tend to have a completely different demeanor. They trust the system and those working within it to come to a fair resolution. They tend to be easier to work with. But, ultimately, you typically end up in the same place. Some clients just take a bit longer to build up the requisite trust.
That said, it's just a guideline. I've had people who have been mistreated by the system over and over again keep the faith, and I've had clients who have had every advantage act like idiots.
Anyway, the guy who wrote that piece isn't an attorney, much less a public defender, but he's certainly a racist prick.
I was hoping you responded to this thread, and I think your post is probably more indicative of what actually goes on.
The linked article touches on some stuff that may be true, but the blanket generalizations and constant framing in terms of race get old after awhile and the article eventually devolves into boilerplate racist garble by the end.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:57 pm to Wolfhound45
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Okay, I will bite, what is this?
It's the most widely read WN (White Nationalist) site in the US (likely the western world). I haven't posted there in well over a decade, but they have a variety of forums including an "anti" forum for non-whites and whites who aren't WNs. It was pretty rough and tumble in the early goings. Racial slurs were freely used, threats of violence, talk of race wars, etc were pretty common. There was also a lot of serious discussion about not only race and race relations in the US, Europe, and the rest of the world, but actual no-shite theories on the significance of race. Last time I peeked in on them slurs and talk of violence were strongly frowned upon if not outright banned.
The more mature among them promote (and have always promoted) "racialism". They eschew "hatred" and violence and propose to present a more white-positive view as opposed to a minority-negative (mostly black) view. They still hate Jews unconditionally, though.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:03 pm to Navytiger74
I think the argument that Zach is making is about a black person as opposed to black people. To me, racism would be believing that their is something genetic that makes black people less intelligent. And since he hasnt said this, I do not think Zach thinks this. But if you are discussing a race, which is the collection of all people of that ethnicity, you can not separate cultural/social/economic factors. It is not racist to say that blacks are, as a race, poorer and less intelligent/educated (and these 2 factors lead to many other things). That is a verifiable statement. I dont think any educated person thinks the black brain is physically different than any other brain.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:09 pm to FT
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Ok, this article is actually racist. And I don't see racism everywhere.
quote:Another racist liberal.
I am a liberal. I believe that those of us who are able to produce abundance have a moral duty to provide basic food, shelter, and medical care for those who cannot care for themselves. I believe we have this duty even to those who can care for themselves but don’t. This world view requires compassion and a willingness to act on it.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:13 pm to Hester Carries
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To me, racism would be believing that their is something genetic that makes black people less intelligent. And since he hasnt said this, I do not think Zach thinks this.
Zach unquestionably thinks this and has said so on this board multiple times. His one and only source on this is his fav book the bell curve.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:15 pm to Hester Carries
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To me, racism would be believing that their is something genetic that makes black people less intelligent. And since he hasnt said this, I do not think Zach thinks this.
Ummm. Are we talking about the same Zach? This is Zach nailed cold.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:22 pm to Navytiger74
I'm almost positive I've seen him cite the 'blacks have a lower IQ' line. It may have been another poster, but I'm almost sure it was Zach.Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:23 pm to onmymedicalgrind
I wonder if he actually read it. It was published only 20 yrs ago and I think Zach completed all of his research over 30 yrs ago. I think it's more likely he read a synopsis of the book in a discarded NYT he recovered from the garbage can at Starbucks.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:23 pm to Navytiger74
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Ummm. Are we talking about the same Zach? This is Zach nailed cold.
well then
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:29 pm to cwill
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I wonder if he actually read it. It was published only 20 yrs ago and I think Zach completed all of his research over 30 yrs ago. I think it's more likely he read a synopsis of the book in a discarded NYT he recovered from the garbage can at Starbucks.
Probably not. But even if so, the fact he can't name anything else he's read on the topic is telling. He agreed with TBC findings and decided he know longer needed to read anything else. Thats, like, anti-science.
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