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re: Confederate Statues Were Never Really About Preserving History
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:37 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:37 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Your demarcation line here is too late. I'd put it no later than 1915.
Everything built after about 1950 was an intentional finger in the eye of the Civil Rights movement. I don't have a lot of reverence for them.
Before that, folks were honoring their family members and ancestors.
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:38 pm to Gumbeaux14
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:39 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I'd put it no later than 1915.
The Alabama monument at Gettysburg was dedicated in 1933, so try again putz...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:39 pm to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
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I don't know how to break this to you, but Reconstruction was HARD on the South. No one had the MONEY to be building statues. They were busy rebuilding their homes, their railroads and all the other infrastructure that was destroyed in the war.
I have hope for you after all!
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:41 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:MLK memorial wasn't built unitl 43 years after his death. Should it be torn down because it took too long to build?
In all three cases, monuments were constructed when veterans began to die off in great numbers. And when the memories of the wars were starting to disappear.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:42 pm to Geauxboy
Do not be fooled.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
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I don't know how to break this to you, but Reconstruction was HARD on the South. No one had the MONEY to be building statues. They were busy rebuilding their homes, their railroads and all the other infrastructure that was destroyed in the war.
And doing so with the leftovers not pilfered by a vengeful federal government.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:44 pm to The Maj
quote:"Everything" is too strong, but most.
The Alabama monument at Gettysburg was dedicated in 1933, so try again putz...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:44 pm to Gumbeaux14
The Washington Monument was started in 1848, construction was halted but was later completed in 1877. He died some 80 years earlier.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:46 pm to Gumbeaux14
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The United Daughters of the Confederacy had the majority of the statues built decades after the Civil War
Isn't that the very definition of preserving history?
I'm not the brightest guy but I heard that nearly 94% of all history books are written decades after the events they cover....as history and all.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
"Everything" is too strong, but most.
At Gettysburg, the majority were constructed well after 1915...
Arkansas 1966
Florida 1963
Georgia 1961
Louisiana 1971
Mississippi 1973
North Carolina 1929
Soldiers and Sailors of the Confederacy 1965
South Carolina 1963
Tennessee 1982
Texas 1964
So, try again, putz...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:48 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:I have always found this graphic informative.
Your demarcation line here is too late. I'd put it no later than 1915.
The VAST majority were erected in the 10-15 year period when actual veterans were dying of old age.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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but most.
Let's see most... your line of 1915 and here is the list of state monuments at Vicksburg built after that time:
AL 1951
Arky 1954
FL 1954
GA 1962
KY 2001 (WTF Kentucky)
LA 1920
Mizzou 1917
NC 1925
SC 1935
TN 1996 (WTF Tennessee)
TX 1963
So tell me how "most" fits your narrative as well...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:55 pm to Gumbeaux14
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The United Daughters of the Confederacy had the majority of the statues built decades after the Civil War
They should have been built before the war
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:56 pm to AggieHank86
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The VAST majority were erected in the 10-15 year period when actual veterans were dying of old age.
It doesn't matter. There is no time limit on when a work of art no longer "preserves history"
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:00 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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The WWII memorial in DC began construction in 2001 and was completed in 2004.
that sums up everything with america post 1960,
that we would build a veitnam memorial before the world war 2 memorial sums up everything wrong with this country.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:And facts. They ignore the CSA traitors own words.
It's obviously true for man of the statues, whether or not anyone wants to admit it (which is ironic given the supposed love of history on this board.)
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:02 pm to WorkinDawg
quote:Sure, all of them memorialize history. No one disputes that. The distinction is found in the motivation for doing so. I submit that the motivations were more "pure" in that first wave of memorials than regarding those erected during the Civil Rights Era.quote:It doesn't matter. There is no time limit on when a work of art no longer "preserves history"
The VAST majority were erected in the 10-15 year period when actual veterans were dying of old age.
Feel free to disagree.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:05 pm to walley tux
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that sums up everything with america post 1960,
that we would build a veitnam memorial before the world war 2 memorial sums up everything wrong with this country.
Ehhhh, I don't read a whole lot into that. There were lots of different dynamics at play. There were already plenty of memorials all over the place to WWII.
Vietnam was sort of a "forgotten" war with little to actually "memorialize" and the DC Memorial was sort of seen a singular tribute to those who lost their lives in that ridiculous quagmire.
In a lot of ways it's not unlike a lot of civil war memorials and sort of illustrates the folly of those who decry "Why are we memorializing losing a war???"
I appreciate all types of public memorials, though, and always think we should be looking to build more rather than destroying those we've built.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:08 pm to AggieHank86
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Everything built after about 1950 was an intentional finger in the eye of the Civil Rights movement.
Or maybe some might've been trying to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the conflict?
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