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Common ground thread: Let's take some policies and see how far apart we really are.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:50 am
Let's start off with DACA.
At this point, I believe both sides agree (for the most part) that these "Dreamers" should be allowed to stay.
If we start at that point then how far apart can we be.
Agreements (I hope): will fix if I'm wrong
The current situation is that their arrangement was set to be temporary. That arrangement is ending very soon.
If the temporary arrangement is ending and both sides want to fix it PERMANENTLY then it's up to Congress, not the President, do put forth a bill that does that.
Here's where it gets tricky though.
What are you willing to give up to get this deal done.
Dems: will post here.
Reps: for me, it's some of the wall system as I don't really want a shore to shore wall, will post more here.
What is absolutely a non-starter for you?
Dems: will post here
Reps: the first one is chain migration for me, will post more here.
Let's see if we can show the Swamp Dwellers how this is done.
I will ask that you be civil and treat this thread as if your grandma was reading it.
At this point, I believe both sides agree (for the most part) that these "Dreamers" should be allowed to stay.
If we start at that point then how far apart can we be.
Agreements (I hope): will fix if I'm wrong
The current situation is that their arrangement was set to be temporary. That arrangement is ending very soon.
If the temporary arrangement is ending and both sides want to fix it PERMANENTLY then it's up to Congress, not the President, do put forth a bill that does that.
Here's where it gets tricky though.
What are you willing to give up to get this deal done.
Dems: will post here.
Reps: for me, it's some of the wall system as I don't really want a shore to shore wall, will post more here.
What is absolutely a non-starter for you?
Dems: will post here
Reps: the first one is chain migration for me, will post more here.
Let's see if we can show the Swamp Dwellers how this is done.
I will ask that you be civil and treat this thread as if your grandma was reading it.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:51 am to roadGator
LIberals aren't interested in doing this.
At all.
Especially not those frickards in Congress.
At all.
Especially not those frickards in Congress.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:51 am to roadGator
quote:
Let's start off with DACA. At this point, I believe both sides agree (for the most part) that these "Dreamers" should be allowed to stay.
frick that shite. You’re starting the basis of negotiation with a concession
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:53 am to jamboybarry
It's not a concession if I think they should be able to stay. 
Is your starting point that you don't want them to stay? That indeed is a completely different negotiation. All hammer.
Is your starting point that you don't want them to stay? That indeed is a completely different negotiation. All hammer.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:53 am to roadGator
The second amendment.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:54 am to cajuncarguy
What about it?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:55 am to roadGator
I think everything in your post was agreed to by the committee. The only ones who disagree are the hardliners who would like to end all immigration.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:55 am to roadGator
Bail Reform
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:56 am to roadGator
quote:
It's not a concession if I think they should be able to stay.
You do but op said both sides agree. I’m informing you that is incorrect.
quote:
Is your starting point that you don't want them to stay? That indeed is a completely different negotiation. All hammer.
It is called enforcing the law. Anything else is grey area and pandering from one side for votes.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:56 am to roadGator
New policy proposal: Bama is banned from college football playoffs for the next 10 years.
Who is in agreement?
Who is in agreement?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:57 am to jamboybarry
(no message)
This post was edited on 5/4/21 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:57 am to mmcgrath
Seemingly everything wasn't agreed to or they'd all be bragging about who got the deal done regardless of the party.
What they should do is get an agreement and stand up together and praise the other side. If we are past that, as I'm afraid we may be, an alternative must be found. We've jumped the shark.
What they should do is get an agreement and stand up together and praise the other side. If we are past that, as I'm afraid we may be, an alternative must be found. We've jumped the shark.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:58 am to roadGator
IMO we should kick out dumb/worthless citizens before kicking out productive tax paying dreamers
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:58 am to jamboybarry
quote:
It is called enforcing the law.
Um, no it isn't.
The current debate is about changing the law.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:58 am to jamboybarry
shite. I did say "for the most part".
Perhaps I have misread the crowd.
Perhaps I have misread the crowd.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:59 am to roadGator
I’m not unreasonable and understand that (against my beliefs) dreamers will probably stay. But the GOP shouldn’t concede that before getting a Democratic concession.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:59 am to mmcgrath
quote:
The only ones who disagree are the hardliners who would like to end all immigration.
I only want to end immigration from shithole countries
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:59 am to bamarep
*Common ground thread starts*
"LIBERALS AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING THIS AT ALL"
*common ground thread ends*
Bout what I expected.
"LIBERALS AREN'T INTERESTED IN DOING THIS AT ALL"
*common ground thread ends*
Bout what I expected.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:59 am to gamatt53
quote:
IMO we should kick out dumb/worthless citizens before kicking out productive tax paying dreamers
Libs would scream about tearing families apart. They'd have to be the ones doing it. If so, I'm game.
That's really not part of this negotiation though.
Now I see why nothing useful gets done in DC.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:00 pm to jamboybarry
I think we are on the same page.
We aren't starting from DACA has to stay. We are starting from "We, Rs, would like them to stay too".
We aren't starting from DACA has to stay. We are starting from "We, Rs, would like them to stay too".
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