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re: Comey Admits He Knew Democrats Financed ‘Pee’ Dossier Before FISA Warrant Signoff

Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:48 pm to
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think about it....

the former head of the EFF BEE EYE, with nearly unlimited police power and resources admitted to knowingly using falsified information to begin using the most advanced spying apparatus on the planet to monitor a man running for president against who he thought should win.

THATS frickING INSANE.





And half the country, along with 90% of the media, are just fine with it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:52 pm to
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Failure to disclose still a scandal then?

Im not even saying it’s a scandal. The warrant is valid on its face. Any evidence obtained from it will likely not be thrown out. All I am saying is that the FBI acted in a partisan manner to obtain a warrant to spy on a political candidate. That is messed up and those that did it should be questioned about it. And everyone, even democrats, should agree with that.

It is why I said if the info would have changed the judges decision is irrelevant. The duty is to disclose the info and let the judge decide. If they failed to disclose they did not do that.

This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:53 pm
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31711 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:53 pm to
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I don’t think they disclosed there was no verification of the dossier and that the opposition funded it.


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Source #1...has been and FBI source since...Source #1 has been compensated by the FBI...in or about October 2016, the FBI suspended its
relationship with Source #1 due to Source #l's unauthorized disclosure of
information to the press. Notwithstanding the suspension of its relationship with
Source #1, the FBI assesses Source #1 to be reliable as previous reporting from
Source #1 has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings. Moreover, the
FBI notes that the incident that led to the FBI suspending its relationship with
Source #1 occurred after Source #1 provided the reporting that is described herein.
(U) ~) Source #1, who now owns a foreign business/financial intelligence
firm, was approached by an identified U.S. person, who indicated to Source #1 that a
U.S.-based law firm had hired the identified U.S. person to conduct research
regarding Candidate #l's ties to Russia (the identified U.S. person and Source #1
have a long-standing business relationship). The identified U.S. person hired Source
#1 to conduct this research. The identified U.S. person never advised Source #1 as to the motivation behind the research into Candidate #l's ties to Russia. The FBI
speculates that the identified U.S. person was likely looking for information that
could be used to discredit Candidate #l's campaign.

U) ~ Source #1 tasked his sub-source(s) to collect the requisite information. After Source #1 received information from the sub-source(s) described
herein, Source #1 provided the information to the identified U.S. person who had
hired Source #1 and to the FBI.

(~ Notwithstanding Source #1 's reason for conducting the research
into Candidate #l's ties to Russia, based on Source #l's previous reporting history
with the FBI, whereby Source #1 provided reliable information to the FBI, the FBI
believes Source #l's reporting herein to be credible.


They clearly delineate the humint sourcing and that the FBI believes it based upon the credibility and track record of their source. Also very clearly indicates the opposition research nature of his work. And again, the court can always ask for more information if needed for the PC determination.

These judges are not dumb. All four of them found PC.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 8:53 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:55 pm to
So you are saying they did disclose? We are going In circles.

Did they have a duty to disclose? You initially said hey did not. Is that still your stance?

Did they fully disclose? You seem to be arguing they did, even though you said earlier we couldn’t know (unless we were privy to things we are not)

I’ll ask for a third time. If it is revealed they did not fully disclose, will you admit they violated their duty?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20698 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:57 pm to
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They misled the court.


How?



Is it really this hard for you to grasp? In order to obtain a FISA warrant, the evidence submitted must be verified. If you knowingly submit unverified information (Comey admits the document wasn’t verified) and you do so without informing the court, you are in fact misleading the court.

Do you think the FISA court or any court for that matter would grant a warrant if they knew the applicant was submitting unverifiable information as evidence? The courts depend on these investigative agencies to submit real verified evidence when making decisions in regards to warrants and surveillance. When that breaks down, and unverifiable evidence is submitted, the risk is serious abuse of power... we have launched a full scale investigation, spent millions of dollars, ensnared multiple people with process crimes and split this country in half and it can all be traced back to a political campaign spending millions on phony opposition research that the FBI then used (knowing it wasn’t verified) to launch multiple investigations into a political campaign.

This is not how the American judicial system is supposed to work! This is totalitarianism at its finest. This is the justice system you find in hell holes around the globe.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84472 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:58 pm to
I can’t wait until you get to the part where he quotes the disclosure from the app
Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:58 pm to
You know Decatur will defend the FISA courts no matter what. They are an unsupervised and secret court that take whatever is shown to them as the gospel truth. It’s bullshite.
Posted by CheniereTiger108
Member since Jul 2014
1660 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 8:59 pm to
The FBI stated in the FISA app that Carter page WAS acting as an agent of a foreign power and included all the “info” about trips abroad and meetings with “Russians” that the FBI had actually staged. They even threw in some made up shite about Page being offered a massive share in an oil company and meetings with Russians that never happened, etc.


But they managed to forget to include the tiny little fact that Page himself actually worked as an undercover agent FOR THIS SAME frickING FBI less than 2 two years prior- on a case that resulted in convictions of men working as agents of Russia!

Please give a legitimate reason why the FBI would leave out this one MAJOR piece of exculpatory evidence, and yet include all the unverified, and some outright FALSE information??

And do you think they would’ve still been granted the FISA warrant if they’d included the fact that Page had just testified in court for them as a UCI in 2015??
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34896 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:01 pm to
But how dare we besmirch the ingrity and honor of our Federal Investigatory Bureau, right Dems? How dare we suggest they were anything but humble civil servents following the case based on the facts without bias!
frick all you lowlife Democrat scum. Your whole history is one of oppression and subversion.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:02 pm to
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can’t wait until you get to the part where he quotes the disclosure from the app


What he quoted is in no way full disclosure and clearly lacking.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84472 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:04 pm to
What’s missing?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:07 pm to
They cite an individual who may want to discredit the trump campaign as the source. They Knew who it was. They didn’t disclose. They also state that they believe he info in the dossier was accurate based upon Steele’s prior work. They knew full well it was not true. They were the ones leaking to the media. They then cite those media reports as corroborating evidence. They also failed to fully disclose page’s role for the fbi. They sugar coated the app. To argue otherwise is silly.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46079 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:10 pm to
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What’s missing?


Are you serious?
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20698 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:11 pm to
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I can’t wait until you get to the part where he quotes the disclosure from the app



The best part is that the FBI “verified” parts of their “evidence” by leaking stories to a yahoo news reporter and then used his story in the fisa application to say look its verified, its right here in this yahoo news story. Did they disclose to the FISA court that they were the source for the story to begin with??? I mean come the frick on. They played so many games with the application that there is absolutely zero chance any evidence gathered as a result of it would be admissible in court. And surprise surprise, not a damn bit of it has been used in court! That’s why Honest Bob can’t get anyone on anything more than a process crime. The Federal courts would butt frick him up and down the eastern seaboard if he presented a shred of evidence obtained from the FISA warrant.
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9875 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:12 pm to
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the former head of the EFF BEE EYE, with nearly unlimited police power and resources admitted to knowingly using falsified information to begin using the most advanced spying apparatus on the planet to monitor a man running for president against who he thought should win.

THATS frickING INSANE.

No, what’s insane is not F’ing thing is being done about it. What will it take?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84472 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:13 pm to
So lack of names and you think they had independent evidence proving the dossier was not true and failed to disclose that? If not then that goes to my earlier point... what’s their obligation to independently verify every statement in the app?

Leaking to the media and citing it as corroborating is shady and dishonest.

We’re they talking about Steele or Page when staying their work had been used in criminal proceedings before? I can’t see the post from Decatur
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:14 pm to
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We’re they talking about Steele or Page when staying their work had been used in criminal proceedings before? I can’t see the post from Decatur


Steele.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84472 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:15 pm to
What’s their description of Page?
Posted by GoTigahs257
Boston
Member since Dec 2018
19 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:16 pm to
Ummmmm no!
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 9:20 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56825 posts
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:20 pm to
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What’s their description of Page?


I don’t recall what they referred to him as. I jut remember it struck me they failed to disclose the extent and timing of his work with the fbi. No reason to leave that out if you aren’t trying to sugar coat. And lo and behold, here we are years later...Carter wasn’t a spy. The dossier has been disproven. Yet people still support spying on a politician because they don’t like him. It’s a complete misuse of the Justice system and should scare everyone.
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