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re: Colt is ending production of rifles for civilian use
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:24 pm to weagle99
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:24 pm to weagle99
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Isn’t Colt the only manufacturer with the technical data package that can be purchased at the pricepoint? I don’t think the cheaper options have that information.
No, they’re not. And the TDP just has mil-spec everything on it for a rifle to be mass produced that’s good enough. It’s extraordinarily easy to improve on the TDP specs, even for someone just buying parts and building their own.
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:39 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
The market is more geared towards people either building their own or buying high end ready to run AR's. I think this is more about them not being as flexible as smaller companies that just make components.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:41 pm to Flats
Which manufacturers do you think make higher quality rifles than Colt at a cheaper price?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:00 pm to weagle99
Stagg, S&W, Ruger, RRA.
Colt lost the contract to FN because they can't even get mil contract rifles right. I think in one batch of 14 test samples not a single one passed preliminary for one reason or another,that was before the test firing certification in which all the rifles failed still. FN Herstal makes better rifles and they hammer forge the barrels themselves. Colt is still button rifling theirs and the HC chrome lining was cracking due to micro stress fractures left by the poor QC of the rifling equipment.
Colt lost the contract to FN because they can't even get mil contract rifles right. I think in one batch of 14 test samples not a single one passed preliminary for one reason or another,that was before the test firing certification in which all the rifles failed still. FN Herstal makes better rifles and they hammer forge the barrels themselves. Colt is still button rifling theirs and the HC chrome lining was cracking due to micro stress fractures left by the poor QC of the rifling equipment.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 4:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
So what are the best AR-15/10s makers? Are there different levels of them?
Like what is the go-to solid workhorse that is as close to 100% dependable as possible. Obviously there is proper care, but even with not that much emphasis on care you know it's going to get the job done if needed.
Ie...the AR versions of papaw's old dependable side by side that is loaded/ready to work whenever it's needed, but doesn't need to be loved after use, just cause you shot some bobcats/coyotes away.
Like what is the go-to solid workhorse that is as close to 100% dependable as possible. Obviously there is proper care, but even with not that much emphasis on care you know it's going to get the job done if needed.
Ie...the AR versions of papaw's old dependable side by side that is loaded/ready to work whenever it's needed, but doesn't need to be loved after use, just cause you shot some bobcats/coyotes away.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:28 pm to KANDUUU
quote:Yes, and that's where Colt's problem is in the AR market. Consumers either want and solid entry level rifle (S&W, Ruger, RRA) or they want a mid/upper level rifle(Daniel Defense, Bravo Company, Armalite, Aero precision). Colt has found themselves stuck in the middle, while in the mist of some internal company issue. However I will say I recently bought one of their custom shop 1911's and it is a beautiful gun.
Are there different levels of them?
In short, the market for AR's has become extremely oversaturated and a tough area to compete in if you aren't using a low cost strategy or fitting the niche market of high end consumers.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:37 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Colt is ending production
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suspending its production
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:39 pm to weagle99
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Can they even do that given the components and tolerances they Use?
I doubt it. Ruger has mastered the art of "most gun for your money" (along with Mossberg). And Smith is getting there, so I doubt Colt could even make money in the $500 to $600 segment.
Hell, the reason Ruger and Smith did so well with their entry guns was it was so much better value for a name brand gun than the Colt standard bearer - the LE6900 series.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:45 pm to weagle99
You can get two poverty ponies for the price of a colt and they will shoot 2-3 m.o.a. at 100 yards all day. Plenty good for a plinker.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I may sell mine, then. I knew I kept all the original furniture for a reason... and I've always wanted a Daniel Defense. Now all I'll have to do is remove my BCM kmr rail system and optics.... but then, it's almost poetic justice to keep it and use it the way I intended... but really, I just want a DD.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:53 pm to KANDUUU
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So what are the best AR-15/10s makers? Are there different levels of them?
AR10s are a different world. It's not standardized, and don't assume that because someone makes a good AR15 they make a good AR10.
As for AR15s there are different price levels, but above a certain price point you're paying for the name, fit & finish, sometimes accuracy. In the past there were crappy builders but they've pretty much been weeded out. You can get a well built gun that'll go bang every time you pull the trigger for well under $1000, maybe even closer to $500 these days. None of them have to be babied or cleaned every time you use it. Keep it lubed, it'll do fine.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 9:18 pm to Flats
Ruger AR-556 all day long
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:20 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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However I will say I recently bought one of their custom shop 1911's and it is a beautiful gun.
When I bought my Springfield Mil-spec 1911 I was originally looking for a Colt. Just wanted a solid parkerized 1911 but after handling the Colt Gov't Model and the Springfield I couldn't see what another $200 was worth in the Colt.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 10:50 pm to Clames
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Colt Gov't Model
There's a significant difference between that 1911 and something from their custom shop. At the lower end, Springfield has it figured out. When you get into the higher tiers, the difference is really minimal and so is the cost.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:04 pm to Pechon
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Colt lost a big contract to the US Army. They have plenty of other issues going on but sure, let's use this to make it seem they all of a sudden have had some sort of moral epiphany.
They've been losing business to FN and other arms makers.
Bingo .... you beat me to it.
FN Manufacturing here in Columbia, SC basically drove Colt into being whimpering get woke go broke SJWs now trying to suck liberal asses.
All Connecticut and New York based gun manufacturers are in trouble.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I bet HHTM is happy. He supports disarmament of Americans
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:09 pm to Clames
If I was going to get a no frills 1911 I would get a Springfield. However, ever since I was a kid I've always wanted a nice Colt 1911. All these years later I was not disappointed. Colt's QC might have dipped with their general production, but their custom shop is still great.
This post was edited on 9/19/19 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:35 pm to CheEngineer
Ruger or Smith is exactly what I recommend to people who want a complete rifle and want a name brand they recognize. If they don’t plan on selling it and don’t care about the roll mark they can get a Palmetto State setup, spend the savings on a Larue or Geiselle trigger and still come in well under the price of a Colt, BCM, whatever. And you’ve got the second most important part of the rifle (some would say THE most important part) basically maxxed out from a functional and quality perspective. .
Posted on 9/19/19 at 11:54 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Didn't Colt do that years ago with handguns.
I thought they had went all military which is why you had to pick up a Dick special at a handgun show.
I thought they had went all military which is why you had to pick up a Dick special at a handgun show.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 12:16 am to scrooster
Colt needs to focus on maintaining the best quality upper and lower receivers, components and barrels that they can. It’s the only way they can compete with companies like FN who are diversified into other contract guns like the MK16 and MK17.
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