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College admission scandal question

Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:46 am
Posted by Covingtontiger77
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:46 am
Comments: the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.

The everyone must go to college to succeed has destroyed the intrinsic value of an undergraduate degree.

So F it, if I’m a school i just take everyone that wants to pay.

Questions:
1) why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition (loans or out of pocket)?

Eventually the students that can’t cut the work load will wash out and leave an institution that they are not qualified to be in, but the schools keep their tuition money for the time the student attended.

If a D student wants to go to Yale, let them in and waste their money.



This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 8:49 am
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:48 am to
quote:

why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition
Can you think of any negative effects this would have? Just one?
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
12662 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:50 am to
They don’t have the space ? I have no problem with Yale admitting C students, let them admit whoever they want. Big name schools are trying to cash in on their brand to make money with on-line stuff They whole value of an elite school is related to its network connection, not what you learn in the classroom.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:10 am
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:50 am to
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Can you think of any negative effects this would have? Just one


Not really. If a parent or student is dumb enough to go someplace that their kid is not capable of succeeding at that’s on them.

Want to run up $100,000 Yale debt for a year or two— ok have at it.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:52 am to
You think that many people would be dumb enough to flock to places they don’t belong and wate their money or go into mind numbing debt?

If so, that’s on them.

Freedom to wreck your life is on you
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:53 am to
quote:

the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.


This is a bit of a mischaracterization.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:55 am to
quote:

why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition (loans or out of pocket)?


I would imagine this would diminish the exclusive nature of getting in if everyone were invited.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 8:55 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112486 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:57 am to
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So F it, if I’m a school i just take everyone that wants to pay.


Lemme splain it from personal experience. As a 9th grader in HS I desperately wanted to go to college. I wasn't particular about which one. I just needed an academic scholarship because we were dirt poor.

Then, in 11th grade I took some courses at USL (now ULL) as early admissions. I thought it would be great. I was shocked to see that I was sitting in classes full of people just as retarded as my HS classmates. They were just a bit older.

It was then I decided to accept a scholarship to Centenary since they did not allow 'average' students. It was great. Not a tard on campus.

I accept the fact that rich people don't want me playing on their golf course. You must accept that fact that smart people don't like going to school with you average people.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:59 am to
Is it now?

Explain to me why schools now offer degree programs, the jobs of which dont have salaries commensurate with the cost of the degree?

For example, a private university costing $120,000 a year and granting degrees in elementary education. The job only pays $30,000 a year with a max salary potential of maybe $45,000

They are raping and pillaging these kids.


Or how about, art and literature majors. Same thing. What the hell does one do to make $$ with degrees like this?

Schools are exploiting the federal loan program’s low interest loans and grants to inflate their prices - students be damned.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112486 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am to
quote:

Or how about, art and literature majors. Same thing. What the hell does one do to make $$ with degrees like this?


A girl going to Harvard majoring in art or lit is looking for a husband in a STEM major.

Now an example of a real idiot would be a guy going to Harvard majoring in PE. But I'm not sure if there is one.
Posted by civiltiger07
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
14031 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am to
The subsities are part of what is driving up the cost of college admissions.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:03 am to
quote:

I would imagine this would diminish the exclusive nature of getting in if everyone were invited.


But don’t the elite universities preach acceptance of all and we are all equal in every aspect of life?

Let everyone in to try.

Is that not the SJW elite school montra?!?!
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39494 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:03 am to
Not everyone is college material. Most kids would just drag down the rest.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:05 am to
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Not everyone is college material. Most kids would just drag down the rest


Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.




Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53417 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:06 am to
Exclusitivity and graduation rates.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6952 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Not really.
Your critical reasoning skills are lacking.

Lets see, just off the top of my head;
class room sizes
teaching work load
accommodations and living quarters for the increase in students
parking limitations
transit limitations

The list goes on and on. And you couldnt think of one. Not one fricking downside?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23720 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to
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Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.


Look, that was a below average OP. Don’t just clutch it and argue with anyone who responds.

BTW, most elite schools are nonprofit.
Posted by Covingtontiger77
Member since Dec 2015
10267 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Exclusitivity and graduation rates.


WE ARE ALL EQUAL.

WE ALL DISERVE AN EQUAL SHOT AT THE AMERICAN DREAM

Their students shout this from their ivory towers.

LET THEM IN!
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112486 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.


This was already tested in the late 60s. It was called BOG... Basic Opportunity Grants. If you had a HS diploma and no money the govt paid for your tuition.
USL had a ton of freshmen every year that had ACTs around 8 or 9. They did not attend class. They hung out in the union, shot pool, chased girls. At semester they all flunked out (as was their intent).

The unintended consequences was that with 25% of the freshmen leaving at Xmas the school had to release 30-40 faculty members every Spring semester. They had to find other work until the following Fall. It was a mess.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:10 am
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
41133 posts
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:12 am to
quote:

Comments: the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.


For profit has nothing to do with the rise in costs. The federal gov’t subsidizing anyone with a pulse with a guaranteed loan has driven up the cost.

Also, this scandal has shocked me. I was shocked that people with that much money were having to cheat at all. I always just assumed they broke out the check book and paid someone off. Kind of refreshing to hear that the admissions people were actually doing their jobs.
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