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College admission scandal question
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:46 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:46 am
Comments: the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.
The everyone must go to college to succeed has destroyed the intrinsic value of an undergraduate degree.
So F it, if I’m a school i just take everyone that wants to pay.
Questions:
1) why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition (loans or out of pocket)?
Eventually the students that can’t cut the work load will wash out and leave an institution that they are not qualified to be in, but the schools keep their tuition money for the time the student attended.
If a D student wants to go to Yale, let them in and waste their money.
The everyone must go to college to succeed has destroyed the intrinsic value of an undergraduate degree.
So F it, if I’m a school i just take everyone that wants to pay.
Questions:
1) why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition (loans or out of pocket)?
Eventually the students that can’t cut the work load will wash out and leave an institution that they are not qualified to be in, but the schools keep their tuition money for the time the student attended.
If a D student wants to go to Yale, let them in and waste their money.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 8:49 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:48 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:Can you think of any negative effects this would have? Just one?
why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:50 am to Covingtontiger77
They don’t have the space ? I have no problem with Yale admitting C students, let them admit whoever they want. Big name schools are trying to cash in on their brand to make money with on-line stuff They whole value of an elite school is related to its network connection, not what you learn in the classroom.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:50 am to AuburnTigers
quote:
Can you think of any negative effects this would have? Just one
Not really. If a parent or student is dumb enough to go someplace that their kid is not capable of succeeding at that’s on them.
Want to run up $100,000 Yale debt for a year or two— ok have at it.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:52 am to jb4
You think that many people would be dumb enough to flock to places they don’t belong and wate their money or go into mind numbing debt?
If so, that’s on them.
Freedom to wreck your life is on you
If so, that’s on them.
Freedom to wreck your life is on you
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:53 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.
This is a bit of a mischaracterization.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:55 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
why don’t universities ( Yale, Harvard, State schools, private schools etc) just admit everyone that wants to attend and that can pay the tuition (loans or out of pocket)?
I would imagine this would diminish the exclusive nature of getting in if everyone were invited.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:57 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
So F it, if I’m a school i just take everyone that wants to pay.
Lemme splain it from personal experience. As a 9th grader in HS I desperately wanted to go to college. I wasn't particular about which one. I just needed an academic scholarship because we were dirt poor.
Then, in 11th grade I took some courses at USL (now ULL) as early admissions. I thought it would be great. I was shocked to see that I was sitting in classes full of people just as retarded as my HS classmates. They were just a bit older.
It was then I decided to accept a scholarship to Centenary since they did not allow 'average' students. It was great. Not a tard on campus.
I accept the fact that rich people don't want me playing on their golf course. You must accept that fact that smart people don't like going to school with you average people.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:59 am to civiltiger07
Is it now?
Explain to me why schools now offer degree programs, the jobs of which dont have salaries commensurate with the cost of the degree?
For example, a private university costing $120,000 a year and granting degrees in elementary education. The job only pays $30,000 a year with a max salary potential of maybe $45,000
They are raping and pillaging these kids.
Or how about, art and literature majors. Same thing. What the hell does one do to make $$ with degrees like this?
Schools are exploiting the federal loan program’s low interest loans and grants to inflate their prices - students be damned.
Explain to me why schools now offer degree programs, the jobs of which dont have salaries commensurate with the cost of the degree?
For example, a private university costing $120,000 a year and granting degrees in elementary education. The job only pays $30,000 a year with a max salary potential of maybe $45,000
They are raping and pillaging these kids.
Or how about, art and literature majors. Same thing. What the hell does one do to make $$ with degrees like this?
Schools are exploiting the federal loan program’s low interest loans and grants to inflate their prices - students be damned.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Or how about, art and literature majors. Same thing. What the hell does one do to make $$ with degrees like this?
A girl going to Harvard majoring in art or lit is looking for a husband in a STEM major.
Now an example of a real idiot would be a guy going to Harvard majoring in PE. But I'm not sure if there is one.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:02 am to Covingtontiger77
The subsities are part of what is driving up the cost of college admissions.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:03 am to Revelator
quote:
I would imagine this would diminish the exclusive nature of getting in if everyone were invited.
But don’t the elite universities preach acceptance of all and we are all equal in every aspect of life?
Let everyone in to try.
Is that not the SJW elite school montra?!?!
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:03 am to Covingtontiger77
Not everyone is college material. Most kids would just drag down the rest.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:05 am to Vacherie Saint
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Not everyone is college material. Most kids would just drag down the rest
Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:06 am to Covingtontiger77
Exclusitivity and graduation rates.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:Your critical reasoning skills are lacking.
Not really.
Lets see, just off the top of my head;
class room sizes
teaching work load
accommodations and living quarters for the increase in students
parking limitations
transit limitations
The list goes on and on. And you couldnt think of one. Not one fricking downside?
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.
Look, that was a below average OP. Don’t just clutch it and argue with anyone who responds.
BTW, most elite schools are nonprofit.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to RBWilliams8
quote:
Exclusitivity and graduation rates.
WE ARE ALL EQUAL.
WE ALL DISERVE AN EQUAL SHOT AT THE AMERICAN DREAM
Their students shout this from their ivory towers.
LET THEM IN!
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:08 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Again, they would eventually wash out and the schools would keep their money.
This was already tested in the late 60s. It was called BOG... Basic Opportunity Grants. If you had a HS diploma and no money the govt paid for your tuition.
USL had a ton of freshmen every year that had ACTs around 8 or 9. They did not attend class. They hung out in the union, shot pool, chased girls. At semester they all flunked out (as was their intent).
The unintended consequences was that with 25% of the freshmen leaving at Xmas the school had to release 30-40 faculty members every Spring semester. They had to find other work until the following Fall. It was a mess.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:10 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:12 am to Covingtontiger77
quote:
Comments: the For profit college model has inflated the cost of a college education to ridiculous levels.
For profit has nothing to do with the rise in costs. The federal gov’t subsidizing anyone with a pulse with a guaranteed loan has driven up the cost.
Also, this scandal has shocked me. I was shocked that people with that much money were having to cheat at all. I always just assumed they broke out the check book and paid someone off. Kind of refreshing to hear that the admissions people were actually doing their jobs.
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