re: Cohen hearings In-Game Thread - WATCH LIVE

If any Democrat raises their fist in the air over Cohen's closing speech can stick that fist right where it came from.. Such complete fake save my arse speech

Nodding woman found, and shocker she is a hardcore Lib anti-Trumper:

Dr Dena Grayson

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Before the campaign started, I said that Trump really didn't want to be president. 
I still think he'd rather be free of the responsibility. 

The whole campaign probably was about branding and self- promotion

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So you admit you don't believe in any collusion and don't think Trump is guilty of attempting to influence the election then. After all, why would a man that doesn't want to win go through with ANY of that?

You'll ignore this post per usual, but I'll remember.

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Nodding woman found, and shocker she is a hardcore Lib anti-Trumper:

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Dear Lord, she is batshit crazy.

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I said that Trump really didn't want to be president.

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Retrospectively, you should reexamine that premise.

E.g., Why not throw in the towel during the nomination process when Ted Cruz was gaming the delegates? Instead, Trump hired Manafort based on Manafort's extensive campaign experience.

Why not throw in the towel with the worst October Surprise sprung in electoral history? Instead, Trump produced one of the greatest political turnarounds in the world history of campaigns.

Why not throw in the towel with every accepted poll handing the election to Hillary? Instead, Trump embarked upon one of the greatest and most effective campaign treks in history.


Does that sound like "Trump really didn't want to be president."

Meadows should be ashamed of himself for parading the young woman in front of the committee like she’s a prop. Disrespectful
And, yes, arguably racist.

If anything, this whole episode - and how it's responded to by the idiots on this forum - is a great example of the Whistleblower Syndrome: people who are involved with powerful people or corporations, who witness or are victims of criminal acts or violations of law, and attempt to tell about it to proper law enforcement.

A process then starts up where those powerful people or entities then attack those whistleblower(s), saying, "oh he/she is disgruntled, he/she has an agenda". They attempt to discredit those people right off the bat, so what ever they have to say won't be listened to.

And it's not a process of proving what they say to be true or lies. It's a process of cloaking the whistleblower in a shroud of invalidity before he/she even gets the chance to speak, so as to minimize whatever impact their words have against the ones they are accusing. It is a form of oppression, essentially an attempt to still-born any truth that comes from it.

Rep. Cummings stated that Michael Cohen got himself "caught up in it". To a degree, I guess, that's correct. A person could involve himself into an illegal practice or act with eyes wide open, but never truly realize just how much trouble they can end up in, or start out thinking they will just exist around the periphery of the thing, and before they know it, they are smack dab in the middle of it.

And I'm sure that there is truth to a certain degree, that Cohen - while knowing that what he doing for Trump was illegal or at best unethical - was a bit star-struck and awed by Trump's wealth, power, and celebrity, and for a young legal attorney represented a huge gravy train ticket to success and prosperity.

But I certainly do not believe that Cohen is some innocent that didn't want or would agree to violate the law for Trump, but was pushed/coerced/pressured by Trump into doing things that he now regrets. When Cohen did these things, he knew what he was doing, and he still did them with every bit of legal acumen in his power. He was a soldier for Trump.

So he lied to Congress. He could be lying again. And he has broken the law in several areas, for which he was charged and indicted, and will serve a prison term for. He was caught doing these things.

So is he lying now? He very well could be. But Law Enforcement and the DOJ have for generations built their biggest cases and arrests on insider contacts and plea-bargain agreements where parties to crimes have worked with them and given information. They relied on persons who have broken the law, even committed murder, to build the intel for their cases.

Lawyers, prosecutors, District Attorneys, have all built their careers on the assistance of such people, and several members of that House Committee that heard Cohen today - and pointed fingers of accusation at him for his past lies - were attorneys and prosecutors in past lives, so they also used those "informants" to rise to success, and powerful positions they now hold today in Congress.

Likewise, people in the Military Community and Intelligence Community of the United States have also relied on individuals who were members of terrorist groups, cabinet members or generals of dictatorships, high-ranking members of drug cartels and crime families, who have taken human lives by their own hands. And they have used that intel to accomplish great things for them, and for the USA. Has Michael Cohen done things like this?

Cohen could possibly be lying his arse off in these hearings. But if he is, then that will be found out, just like his previous lies and legal violations were. It would not help him at all to be lying on top of what he's already done.

But irregardless, what he is testifying to is just intel, it's just information that can be researched and verified. I'm sure Mueller's team has everything that Cohen knows, and has had it for quite a while now.

The important thing is that we don't work to hide away real violations of law, to try to cover it all up and pretend it never happened. Get it all out in the light of truth, and proceed from there. I don't have much high regard for Cohen, but I feel this whole thing was a positive event for Truth.

Because of that, there's an awful lot of butthurt that's going to be on this forum.....

You lost me at ‘irregardless,’ you stupid cuck.

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And THAT'S the issue here. He's proven to have already lied to congress and is currently having his arm twisted by the justice system and that same congress to give them what they want.

NOTHING he says should be believed, or listened to. He should've lost that right with the conviction(s).

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And if that is truly believed, then we live in a country totally devoid of order and law. We live in a state of anarchy and chaos, where everything wrong can occur and nothing can be done about it. But if THAT'S the USA that we live in, what you just said is that everything thought of bad about Donald Trump is 100% true.

To totally dismiss what Cohen has to say out of hand, hardly before he gets the chance to say it, is just closing your eyes and clasping your hands over them, refusing to even contemplate that there may be some truth within. That's a sad, sad, sad way for adults in this country to live their lives.

If Cohen is capable of lying and getting away with it, then why is he going to jail in the first place?? He got caught in lies before - speaking the truth may help his jail sentence, while lying again certainly will only hurt it.

Still, he very well may be lying again, but that's a seriously sad and anti-productive position to stand on: "let's close our eyes, ears, and mouths and see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil before it even gets determined that it IS evil".

Let him have his say, and then investigate the newly disclosed information. It will be found out to be a lie, a truth, or a moot point either way. But to shout out "IT'S A LIE DON'T LISTEN TO HIM!!!", before the man even opens his mouth, like you mouth-breathers on this forum, looks too much like there's something there that legitimately frightens all of you....just makes me shake my head....

The Democrats goal isn't impeachment. The Democratsgoal is a never ending investigation

It's a charade for the low IQ members of the left