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re: CNN: Trump is creating too many jobs

Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by Papplesbeast
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:45 pm to
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Aside from the fake numbers that this costing the US and Wisconsin taxpayers $4 Billion dollars (it's not), then yes that's the take away.

What are the real numbers then? Is it less than the cost a city has to pay to keep its NFL team?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:46 pm to
that doesn't really address the issue

specific tax cuts should be included in the final number, not sure why they wouldn't

Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:49 pm to
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Those jobs arent coming back

Oh, well ok. They’re coming back, but not that many

shite... ok thats a lot of jobs

Is this supposed to represent a real conversation or are you experiencing some sort of psychosis
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76529 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:49 pm to
For a cost benefit analysis, sure.

This is a skewed, pure cost analysis written to create public outcry from Wisconsin moderates.

It's a fricking joke
Posted by TaderSalad
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:49 pm to
The Great Job Genocide of 2017
Posted by cajunangelle
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:50 pm to
they are insane. oh and Hillary should just knit and stfu.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:52 pm to
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This is a skewed, pure cost analysis written to create public outcry from Wisconsin moderates.


by stating that it will bring 13,000 jobs that will average $53k salary?

article seemed pretty even handed to me
Posted by LSUnation78
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:54 pm to
I understand how it comes across that way. The lib’s narratives are based on psychosis
Posted by 225bred
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:56 pm to
Posted by Loserman
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:58 pm to
Translation:

Scarcity of workers will force companies to pay higher wages.

Which is something democrats claim they want but really don't.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 3:58 pm to
Sounds like a good time for some welfare reform and to cut unemployment benifits down to precollapse levels.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:02 pm to
I'm as big of a Trump supporter as the next person, but I didn't get the OP title from the article--I assume it was meant in a negative way. What I took away was that the low unemployment rate makes it more difficult to hire qualified workers. This happens in a tight labor market. Low skill workers need more skill to work in higher skill jobs.
Posted by chickenpotpie
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:02 pm to
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specific tax cuts should be included in the final number, not sure why they wouldn't


Because they are tax cuts, not spending. Giving a company a discount on future taxes is not taking taxpayer money & giving it to the company.

Taxes from company to the state before it was given a tax break & had no facility - $0
Taxes from company to the state with tax cut after it built a facility - Much more than $0

If you use a coupon at a store, is that store giving you money? Does the store then say, "Well, it cost us 50 cents to sell that product."? No, they don't, because they still made a profit. Wouldn't you rather sell a product at a lower price, still making a profit, then not sell it all?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:06 pm to
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I understand how it comes across that way. The lib’s narratives are based on psychosis


including the narrative that a project with (up to) 13,000 jobs (over 6 years) would have any bearing on "those jobs coming back", or even perceptibly move the needle?

reminder: in obama's very worst year, we had about 2.8 million manufacturing hires (pulled from JOLTS data at LINK )

Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:13 pm to
Luckily we don't have this problem in Louisiana. Thanks JBE.
Posted by Jyrdis
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:21 pm to
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reminder: in obama's very worst year, we had about 2.8 million manufacturing hires (pulled from JOLTS data a


How many were destroyed at that time?
Posted by Oddibe
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

he jobs are expected to pay about $53,000 a year.
quote:

low unemployment in the state has some existing businesses worried that the plant, which could employ up to 13,000 workers, will make it that much harder for them to find workers
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Unemployment in Wisconsin is just 3.2%
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The entire state has only 102,000 unemployed workers
sounds like unemployment is going down and salaries across the state are about to go up.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:27 pm to
My wife's lib cousin was complaining about this just yesterday. Apparently, Illinois party bosses are concerned that their poor will migrate to Wiscy to find work and put a huge crack in their blue wall.

How do sane people vote democrat anymore?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:27 pm to
slightly fewer in all years except 2009, in which it was easily higher. that goes well with the fact that employment in that sector declined in 2009 and has climbed every year since, by a little over 10 million net since the '09 low
Posted by Papplesbeast
St. Louis
Member since Dec 2014
826 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 4:28 pm to
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Because they are tax cuts, not spending. Giving a company a discount on future taxes is not taking taxpayer money & giving it to the company.

What about buying the land and giving it to the company? What about maintaining infrastructure that the company uses, but doesn't pay for?

I just don't get how people can (rightfully) say that there's no such thing as "free college" on one hand, but treat infrastructure as though it's "free" on the other hand. Nothing is free. Infrastructure costs money to build and maintain.
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