re: CNN: First charges filed by Mueller

I find it impressive that people thing a fricking State court is going to bring down the President of the United States

I mean what are you saying is the end game here

The Federal Government is charging a rando person so that means the state of New York is going to go after Trump

You have to be one kind of dumb fricking idiot to think state level crimes levied against the President of the United States have any kind of importance to anything

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That really doesn't mean anything.

Lots of Bush republicans have feverently opposed Trump.

Look at Doc Fention in this thread. He's a conservative that loves the hell of Bush and he's all pitchforks and torches after Trump.

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but why would a republican ally with the democrats when people of his own party are still in positions of power in the senate and house?

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but why would a republican ally with the democrats when people of his own party are still in positions of power in the senate and house?

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Not binary in my opinion

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But can you get past the leverage of the pardon power of the president depending on how close they are with Trump?

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Keep your mouth shut and I'll pardon you

I know that's how I like to be represented in DC

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but why would a republican ally with the democrats when people of his own party are still in positions of power in the senate and house?

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I don't know if you're just a casual observer of politics or whatnot but Trump and the GOP establishment have a wide gulf of differences on a whole lot of things ranging from policy ideas to everyday personal behavior and the culture wars.

Before Trump the nationalist came along on the scene, the GOP was mostly an internationalist party where they supported economic globalization and open borders and Trump is vastly opposed to that.

Lot's of Never Trump republicans actually voted Hillary Clinton or just sat out the election.

karma, who is your prediction for being charged? And what is your prediction is the charge for? You seem pretty educated on this stuff.

I would guess that any effort to prosecute somebody on the State level who has already received a pardon From the POTUS would be roundly criticized by anybody beyond hard core Partisans. Has it ever happened?

i am very aware of the difference between trump's base and the GOP's base and the overlap in between.

i'm just trying to figure out how and why people think Democrats are after Trump. And Republicans are after Trump. But it's mostly the Dems?

i'm going to stick to talking about the law and the grand jury indictments and helping try to explain how this COULD all go down.

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accepting a presidential pardon has throughout judicial history been seen as admission of guilt. this multi-pronged investigation is being brought through in a very smart way to prevent these people from getting off the hook IF they are indeed guilty. 

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At a very simplified level by including State and Federal AG?

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for defying a judge’s 2011 court order to refrain from racially profiling Latinos during patrols and turning them over to federal immigration authorities.

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How are court orders managed? What are the rules around what you can and can't court order?

Synopsis though Joe was in Federal trouble -basically if it was state law there could be no pardon?

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but why would a republican ally with the democrats when people of his own party are still in positions of power in the senate and house?

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Because I think we are witnessing a fundamental realignment in American politics. The neoliberal faction of the Democratic Party and the neoconservative faction of the Republican Party have almost identical policy positions on major issues regarding foreign policy, monetary policy, immigration and state surveillance.

The Trump faction, which I don't think can be lumped into either party, and the Rand Paul libertarians are the future of the Republican Party. The George Bush's, David Frum's and Bill Kristol's of the world are going to be aligned with the Democrats for the foreseeable future.