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re: CNN Can Not Understand Why We Can Not Arrest The Drug Runners and Bring Them to Trial.

Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:21 am to
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48029 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:21 am to
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80% of the fentanyl seized coming into the US between 2018 and 2024 was being transported by American citizens.

Kill them on sight - I'd be ok with that qualifier.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296273 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:22 am to
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Kill them on sight - I'd be ok with that qualifier.


We're too busy killing cocaine couriers to other nations, we have no time for doing anything effective.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31711 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:22 am to
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CNN Can Not Understand Why We Can Not Arrest The Drug Runners and Bring Them to Trial.


I can help CNN. This is not about stopping or otherwise impeding the drug trade. This is about a destabilization campaign with the goal of regime change in another country. This is a neoconservative dream.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10530 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:26 am to
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Kill them on sight - I'd be ok with that qualifier.


I personally think the constitution is more important than that, but that's not the point.

The point is that the narrative that drug trafficking in the US is an act of war falls a little flat when it's US citizens bringing the drugs across the border.

Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
193 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:37 am to
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The point is that the narrative that drug trafficking in the US is an act of war falls a little flat when it's US citizens bringing the drugs across the border.


Once they reach our border the constitution applies and it becomes a law enforcement action and the perpetrators need to be given the protections and guarantees provided by the constitution.

Prior to that they’re fair game for drones and bombs and missiles.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38658 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:39 am to
The point is an immediate deterrent to drug runners. Assured death is the maximum method toward that end.

The Courts and Judiciary have shown themselves to be ideologically corrupt and wholly partisan, and as such are simply a stalling tactic to enable further ideological hegemony.

The drug mules should know that if they get in that boat they are dead men walking. Their choice. Albeit if they are in some way coerced via violent means, like threatening families or friends, then those who coerce them become fair military targets. I think that is what the buildup of military capabilities down there is all about. Note how Israel dealt with Hezbollah and Iran. Very effective.

It’s all about relative affluence; and the ideological systems which support and promote Capitalism (Merit) or Socialism (Need/Egalitarianism). X amount of people and the moral and practical struggle re who gets how much and why do they get it. Given the coming exponential advance of High Tech via AI, humanity will no longer be able to bear the traditional struggle methodology (War) to determine which ideology rules, as such would be suicidal. Albeit we’ll likely have to learn that the hard way. That may be the reason that there is archeological evidence of ancient and highly advanced civilizations that went away. Our competitive nature dooms us to non existence.

Jesus is right. Embrace Love or be damned to eternal death.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31711 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:40 am to
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The point is that the narrative that drug trafficking in the US is an act of war falls a little flat when it's US citizens bringing the drugs across the border.


It’s unequivocally *not* an act of war despite the magic words on a piece of paper claiming it is.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66630 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:40 am to
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Prior to that they’re fair game for drones and bombs and missiles.

So, every country now has the green light to drone civilians near another continent by labeling them terrorists?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296273 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:44 am to
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Once they reach our border the constitution applies and it becomes a law enforcement action and the perpetrators need to be given the protections and guarantees provided by the constitution.


Do you want every nation killing people they claim are "terrorists?"

Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48029 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:47 am to
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drug trafficking in the US is an act of war falls a little flat

quantity and methodology count.

Nobody suggests killing a lone drug dealer on a street corner in the middle of the night - arrest his arse, put him on trial, and put him on trial.

Now - contrast that with someone (don't care if an American citizen or not) seen hauling a pickup truck load of drugs just on the other side of the border.

Do we monitor him while he decides to try and sneak across the border? - and then 'read him his rights' the moment we arrest him? and then pay for a defense attorney to 'defend' him? and then go thru months if not years of defense objections to every step in the process? (all the while having to tip-toe over each and every step in the 'process' --- compare that to the idiocy now being employed in the trial of that assassin of the insurance exec)

And on top of all that there are dozens more of these 'citizens' waiting to drive their trucks full of drugs 'across the border' while we are spending years & millions of $$$ on the one unlucky sob we happened to 'catch' in the act? The successful drug dealer probably pay the expenses of the unlucky one caught just to clog up the whole system.

At some point we have to employ COMMON SENSE to obviously intractable problems - and not allow the criminals to succeed just because they have found some legal hedge to delay administration of justice and drain the public of money and patience.

Yes - some instances require swift and sure extermination of the perpetrators.

Our constitution is NOT a suicide pact.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31711 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:53 am to
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At some point we have to employ COMMON SENSE to obviously intractable problems - and not allow the criminals to succeed just because they have found some legal hedge to delay administration of justice and drain the public of money and patience.


Ah yes the “common sense” exception to following the Constitution. Taught in first semester ConLaw.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
8487 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:54 am to
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Release the video please.


Two to the chest and one to the head is all there is to know!
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38658 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:57 am to
Eugene McCarthy via the Congress interpreted the public promotion of Communist ideology as a strategic act of war. To the degree that any action serves the ideological ends of an opponent whose intent is conquest, to that degree said action can be rightly labeled an ‘act of war’.

It’s subjective. One person’s freedom fighter is another’s terrorist. The days if talk and compromise solving our differences are over. It’s a zero sum game minus some extraordinary scenario (AI?) which can change the whole logistical dynamics of human needs for basic life sustaining goods and services vs the desire for relative affluence and personal power.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296273 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:58 am to
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Now - contrast that with someone (don't care if an American citizen or not) seen hauling a pickup truck load of drugs just on the other side of the border.


Stop him and arrest him. Voila.

Seize the drugs, get more intel. Blowing up boats off the S. American coast is nothing but virtue signaling.

Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
193 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:03 am to
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So, every country now has the green light to drone civilians near another continent by labeling them terrorists?


If they can back it up with enough economic or military might to avoid repercussions from other nations sure. But I’ve already said I don’t like the terrorist label nor do I think it’s a necessary qualifier to killing people that are a threat.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 9:05 am
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31711 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:03 am to
You’re just making things up.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296273 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:05 am to
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do I think it’s a necessary qualifier to killing people that are a threat.


A guy running cocaine to Trinidad from Venezuela is no threat to you.

You folks have been successfully pussified. When people talk about the pussification of america, this is part of it.
Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
193 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:18 am to
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A guy running cocaine to Trinidad from Venezuela is no threat to you.


He’s a much bigger threat than 99% of the terrorist we’ve killed in the Middle East. I’d even argue the drug trade is a much larger threat to Americans than Iran having a nuke yet we bombed them. I didn’t support that move by the way.

The simple FACT is that the drug trade is much more harmful to the American society and economy than brown people in the ME or Russians invading Ukraine. I realize many people are jaded from the Iraq and Afghan wars and our interventions in Syria and Libya so I understand the illogical knee jerk reaction to opposing the use of our military anywhere. But killing drug traffickers probably the most righteous use of force by the USG since WWII.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296273 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:22 am to
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He’s a much bigger threat than 99% of the terrorist we’ve killed in the Middle East.



Youre a propagandist dream. Like a sponge, you accept all the bullshite.

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The simple FACT is that the drug trade is much more harmful to the American society and economy


The simple fact is your methods will do absolutely nothing to end the drug demand in the USA. Its just virtue signaling.

Posted by CapnKangaroo
Member since Dec 2025
193 posts
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:30 am to
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Youre a propagandist dream. Like a sponge, you accept all the bullshite.


Funny that you say accept all the bullshite and purposefully misquote my post. Why leave out the part where I didn’t support the bombing of Iran and didn’t buy into the notion that nuclear armed Iran is a threat. I can see nuance and judge the situations independently. Your default thought is all foreign intervention bad because you don’t have the ability or maturity to see the difference.

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The simple fact is your methods will do absolutely nothing to end the drug demand in the USA. Its just virtue signaling




1) It’s not about ending demand, it’s about disrupting supply. They are separate issues.

Although in the case of Venezuela I unfortunately think it’s solely about drugs. Otherwise we’d be killing Honduran and Mexican and El Salvadoran traffickers too. But hey, gotta start somewhere I guess.

2) I don’t think you know what virtue signaling is.
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