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re: Clinton appointed judge rules Trump cant require citizenship proof on federal voting forms

Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:30 am to
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:30 am to
I hadn’t read that far down before I responded, Jake. You’ve been here 20 odd years, and have close to half a million posts. You know how it works.

BTW, speaking of dishonesty, why the alter?
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 7:31 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112651 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:34 am to
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This isn't about voter ID, this is about requiring proof of citizenship to register.


So, all good if noncitizens register because they will pinky swear they won't try to vote.
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:34 am to
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I hadn’t read that far down before I responded, Jake. You’ve been here 20 odd years, and have close to half a million posts. You know how it works.

BTW, speaking of dishonesty, why the alter?


More lies. My name is not Jake, I have not been here for 20 years, and I don't have half a million posts.

Not everything is a conspiracy.



Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8774 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:34 am to
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Why did you lie and deliberately misrepresent my position?



Because that's the position he WANTS you to have.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87573 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:35 am to
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More lies. My name is not Jake, I have not been here for 20 years, and I don't have half a million posts.




Ok
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87573 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:36 am to
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IvoryBillMatt


Oh look…it’s Mr. “I just LOVE Trump, BUT…

Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
7920 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:48 am to
Here is what I would consider to be interesting I think the federal elections commission can put out an order mandating that only Citizens can vote in federal elections and that the state must show adequate proof in order to hold their elections I think that does pass constitutional must

Further I think the federal elections commission can start targeting areas to review voter roles to make sure that those registered to vote in federal elections have shown proof of citizenship and I would direct the states to make sure they are compliant or else they will not be allowed to hold their elections For federal office
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87573 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 7:51 am to
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Here is what I would consider to be interesting I think the federal elections commission can put out an order mandating that only Citizens can vote in federal elections and that the state must show adequate proof in order to hold their elections I think that does pass constitutional must

Further I think the federal elections commission can start targeting areas to review voter roles to make sure that those registered to vote in federal elections have shown proof of citizenship and I would direct the states to make sure they are compliant or else they will not be allowed to hold their elections For federal office


This would definitely work.

At least until some black-robed attention whore without the authority to do so attempts to strike it down.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8774 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:07 am to
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This would definitely work.



Unlike the Executive Order, right? I just want to see if your brain works.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
42194 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:19 am to
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In America the burden to register is on the citizen.


You can register pretty much 365.

Why is this an issue, regardless of what documentation is required?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22687 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:22 am to
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Don't get me wrong, it seems pretty reasonable to have some proof of citizenship to register to vote. The reality is it has been hard to implement, and many citizens were disenfranchised.

From my person experience, I moved from Texas to Oklahoma and then returned to Texas to retire four years later. Upon going to get my Texas drivers license, I had to produce a utility bill showing an address and my birth certificate to prove I really lived in Texas. In fact I had to request Kentucky send a copy of my birth certificate because I'd never put my hands on the original.
When we vote here, we have to present a drivers license.
I am sure some states purposely don't require a license for voting and if they do, the state doesn't require proof citizenship as a requirement for it.

It's pretty obvious to me that within a generation, this country will be completely different than the one I grew up in. I'll be dead and gone.
Good luck!
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:26 am to
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That ruling should be downright unconstitutional. These activist judges have got to be reined in. It’s getting satirical at this point.
A link to the ruling would be nice.

It is probably a matter of either the Elections Clause or Trump unilaterally changing something that must be changed by statute.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 9:31 am
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:28 am to
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Ok bytch explain to me why your stupid ruling makes sense…honestly want to hear how stupid you are
Fascinating to see the number of people who call this judge “stupid“ or “activist,“ all without having bothered to read the ruling.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125510 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:32 am to
Which part of the ruling was your favorite? Quote it.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:34 am to
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quote:

Constitution clearly says voting is for citizens
Of course, but that's not the issue. It's the mechanism used to implement that. An Executive Order is not the means.
Many posters on this forum WANT to see an Imperial Presidency, with nearly unlimited Executive power.

You will never convince them that an Executive Order or executive branch regulationis not the correct answer to anything.
This post was edited on 11/1/25 at 9:57 am
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:39 am to
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100% chance she will get overturned.
Have you read the actual opinion? Do you think that you understood it?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Trumpist Populism: Politics by LCD
Member since Oct 2025
2007 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:43 am to
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Am I allowed to go over to Germany and vote in their general election?
You really need to wrap your brain around the difference between (a) what is the right result and (b) what is the proper means to achieve that result.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22687 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:43 am to
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My name is not Jake

Is it John Barron?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112651 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:48 am to
From 52 USC 20508 (the basis of the judge's ruling) emphasis added:

quote:


52 U.S. Code § 20508 - Federal coordination and regulations


(a)In generalThe Election Assistance Commission—

(1)

in consultation with the chief election officers of the States, shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out paragraphs (2) and (3);

(2)

in consultation with the chief election officers of the States, shall develop a mail voter registration application form for elections for Federal office;

(3)

not later than June 30 of each odd-numbered year, shall submit to the Congress a report assessing the impact of this chapter on the administration of elections for Federal office during the preceding 2-year period and including recommendations for improvements in Federal and State procedures, forms, and other matters affected by this chapter; and

(4)

shall provide information to the States with respect to the responsibilities of the States under this chapter.

(b)Contents of mail voter registration formThe mail voter registration form developed under subsection (a)(2)—

(1)

may require only such identifying information (including the signature of the applicant) and other information (including data relating to previous registration by the applicant), as is necessary to enable the appropriate State election official to assess the eligibility of the applicant and to administer voter registration and other parts of the election process;

(2)shall include a statement that—

(A)

specifies each eligibility requirement (including citizenship);


(B)

contains an attestation that the applicant meets each such requirement; and

(C)

requires the signature of the applicant, under penalty of perjury;

(3)

may not include any requirement for notarization or other formal authentication; and

(4)shall include, in print that is identical to that used in the attestation portion of the application—

(i)

the information required in section 20507(a)(5)(A) and (B) of this title;

(ii)

a statement that, if an applicant declines to register to vote, the fact that the applicant has declined to register will remain confidential and will be used only for voter registration purposes; and

(iii)

a statement that if an applicant does register to vote, the office at which the applicant submits a voter registration application will remain confidential and will be used only for voter registration purposes.


Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
8774 posts
Posted on 11/1/25 at 9:52 am to
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You really need to wrap your brain around the difference between (a) what is the right result and (b) what is the proper means to achieve that result.


Thanks for highlighting this difference. Those of us who point out that the President (whoever it is) can't legislate through Executive Order aren't swayed by the result.

Literally no one on this Board is for noncitizens voting.
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