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re: Cleveland Clinic Performs Its First In Utero Fetal Surgery Stolen from O.T.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 2:53 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 6/19/19 at 2:53 pm to GRTiger
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You cannot stipulate an unborn child is a living human and continue to question where his or her rights begin.
Well he can it just means he’s one sick mofo.
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Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:00 pm to Revelator
quote:That is some seriously lazy analysis.
The fact that doctors would take the time to invent a procedure to operate on a fetus, demonstrates the value and worth of the fetus (baby)
If the child was merely a clump of cells as Pro- choice advocates want us to believe, the doctors wouldn't waste their time.
Let’s say you have a statute in your yard that everyone thinks is ridiculously ugly and totally without value, but you love it. I agree with your neighbors. But you are willing to pay me $1 million to fix the cracks in your statue. Despite the fact that I see no value in the damn thing, I will fix it for you
You get to decide (for yourself) whether your statue had value. Your neighbors do not get to decide for you.
If it has value TO YOU, you can spend the money to have it repaired, or not ... or if you think it’s not worth the amount of money necessary for the repairs, you could simply build another statue.
This post was edited on 6/19/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:04 pm to Revelator
When they change the sex of a baby in utero then get back to us
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:04 pm to Adam Banks
quote:I said nothing of the sort. If that is what you think you read, you should not be sitting at the adult table.
So you finally admit to being ok with murder.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:06 pm to AggieHank86
quote:That is an interesting take on life and life saving surgery.
But you are willing to pay me $1 million to fix the cracks in your statue. Despite the fact that I see no value in the damn thing, I will fix it for you
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:12 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Indeed.
The question is what “rights” does that organism have
What rights does this 24 weeker have . . .
vs. this 24 weeker . . .
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:14 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:simply a demonstration that something which has “value“ to one person does not necessarily mean that it has value to others. Likewise, a demonstration that my willingness to fix your problem does not mean that it is a problem I would spend money fixing myself.
interesting take on life and life saving surgery.
I am unsurprised that you do not grasp the distinction
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:19 pm to NC_Tigah
In a vacuum, they would have roughly the same rights. If, however, leaving the first pic in the uterus would kill the woman, the balancing of rights analysis would support an abortion. On the other hand, the infant in Pic2 is not likely to kill her, post birth. Thus, the balancing of rights would preclude its termination.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Let’s say you have a statute in your yard that everyone thinks is ridiculously ugly and totally without value, but you love it. I
You claim I had lazy analysis and then compare a human life to an ugly statue? Ok!
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:21 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Nah, I'll have it in mind the next time I'm saving the life of a fellow human who has no way of compensating me for services, and whom I don't otherwise know from Adam.
I am unsurprised that you do not grasp the distinction
No value?
Cracks in a statue?
Yep, that's beautiful. smh
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:23 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Negative!
If, however, leaving the first pic in the uterus would kill the woman, the balancing of rights analysis would support an abortion.
It would support delivery.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:31 pm to weev
quote:
Yep. Abortion is murder and the millions of people that support it are ghouls.
Can't be said enough.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:41 pm to Revelator
I chose an allergy to something utterly useless with PRECISELY the intent of showing how bad Ypur preceding has had been.
Did the stonemason think that the statue had value himself, or did he repair the thing because someone was willing to pay him? The question is that simple.
Did the stonemason think that the statue had value himself, or did he repair the thing because someone was willing to pay him? The question is that simple.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:43 pm to Revelator
quote:
The fact that doctors would take the time to invent a procedure to operate on a fetus, demonstrates the value and worth of the fetus (baby)
I think it demonstrates the superiority of the medical field in our country, and why healthcare should never be socialized here.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:46 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I'll have it in mind the next time I'm saving the life of a fellow human who has no way of compensating me for services, and whom I don't otherwise know from Adam.
quote:Simple indeed.
Did the stonemason think that the statue had value himself, or did he repair the thing because someone was willing to pay him? The question is that simple.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 3:58 pm to AggieHank86
Hank at how many weeks does a “fetus” turn to a “baby”?
Posted on 6/19/19 at 4:07 pm to AggieHank86
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a pregnancy which will (guaranteed) kill a fully-sapient adult woman should, in my view, I ALWAYS be terminated if necessary to preserve her life
This only occurs before 20 weeks post fertilization.
There is never a time after this that the mother's health necessitates the killing of the baby. The baby may need to be taken early, but it is not a requirement that the baby is killed for the mother to have a chance to survive.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 4:08 pm to Magician2
quote:A “fetus” becomes a newborn” or an “infant” when it leaves the vaginal canal or arguably when its umbilical cord is cut.
at how many weeks does a “fetus” turn to a “baby”?
The word “baby” is an imprecise term with no medical, scientific or legal meaning, which is why I do not use it in the context of a detailed anslysis of a complex and nuanced issue
Of course, the term carries some emotional punch, which is why emotional people insist upon inserting it into this discussion.
Posted on 6/19/19 at 4:28 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Of course, the term carries some emotional punch, which is why emotional people insist upon inserting it into this discussion.
When a woman is pregnant, it's common for people to ask questions like?
"Do you know the sex of the baby?"
"Have you thought about baby names?"
"When is your baby due?"
Do you think these are emotionally driven questions?
This post was edited on 6/19/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/19/19 at 4:33 pm to Revelator
quote:yes, to some extent. Why? Because the person asking those questions is likely well aware that the woman to whom they are presenting the questions is pleased and/or excited to be pregnant.
Do you think these are emotionally driven questions?
Primarily, however, it is simply the use of imprecise language in a social setting, as compared to complex analysis of legal, ethical, philosophical, and medical issues ... where some degree of precision is actually rather important
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