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Clarence Thomas lets John Roberts know he is running the Supreme Court now

Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted by jatilen
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:08 pm
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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas came out fast to ask the first questions of the new Supreme Court term Monday, signaling that he will continue to actively participate in oral arguments even though the court is returning to in-person hearings.


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The new system starts with an extended period of rapid-fire questioning followed by a more orderly opportunity for individual questioning by each justice at the end. But Thomas didn't wait for the structured time and instead jumped right into the questioning in a way he almost never did before the pandemic.


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Former Thomas clerk and Judicial Crisis Network President Carrie Severino said that Thomas' assertive nature in this first argument of the court's 2021-2022 term is reflective of the new 6-3 conservative majority.

"It is Justice Thomas's moment as the intellectual leader of the Court and thus fitting to hear him ask the first question of the new term," Severino said.


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This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:09 pm to
Hope he has trustworthy bodyguards

He is gonna get Scalia’d
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:11 pm to
That picture.

Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:12 pm to
I was actually watching Bush 2004 election night coverage a while back and I was surprised to hear that there was serious talk of appointing Clarence Thomas as the next Chief Justice given how William Rehnquist was in poor health and was not expected to be around for very long and indeed, he didn't make it to the end of the summer the following year.

Even with the GOP controlling the senate, I don't believe the votes to make Clarence chief was ever there as the filibuster was still in effect for judicial nominations but Clarence as chief was still a legit idea.

Oh what could've been.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 1:16 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:16 pm to
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Even with the GOP controlling the senate, I don't believe the votes to make Clarence chief was ever there as the filibuster was still in effect for judicial nominations but Clarence as chief was still a legit idea.



It’d have been a brilliant move to force the democrats to crank back up the high tech lynching machine. Sadly, W and company didn’t have that in them.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:23 pm to
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It’d have been a brilliant move to force the democrats to crank back up the high tech lynching machine.



And the vote would still likely fail but it would be a great clarifying moment and it would've pumped up the radicalization maybe a solid decade earlier.

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Sadly, W and company didn’t have that in them.


The Bush family gave us two duds in Roberts and Souter.

But they also gave us two great MAGA conservative justices in Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito.

Their judicial legacy is a 50/50 wash.

Just like all GOP Presidents.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:25 pm to
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Clarence Thomas lets John Roberts know he is running the Supreme Court now


Some liberal will soon be on MSNBC putting that black man in his place.

Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 1:55 pm to
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Sadly, W and company didn’t have that in them.




It wasn't about having the fight in them, Bush's team didn't want a true conservative justice to lead the court. Bush paid a lot of IP service to being conservative but clearly was not.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:00 pm to
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Former Thomas clerk and Judicial Crisis Network President Carrie Severino said that Thomas' assertive nature in this first argument of the court's 2021-2022 term is reflective of the new 6-3 conservative majority.


I liked everything about the article except this.

Thomas and on a good day Alito are "conservative"

Breyer is an old school liberal with progressive tendencies.

Kagan is an old school liberal with progressive tendencies.

Sotomayor is a progressive, likely seeing herself as RBG's successor (with a fraction of the intellectual horsepower).

Kavabaw and Gorsuch are mushy middle, more Kennedy or Souter than Scalia or Thomas. ACB is likely in this group, too.

Roberts is a "whichever way the wind blows, gosh, I don't want to be unpopular in the press" OR worse (compromised).

So, this fantasy that there are more than 2 (on a good day) "conservatives" as that term is widely used on the court is just that - fantasy.
Posted by ATCTx
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:07 pm to
I think your description of each "justice" is pretty spot on. I've read that Alito is an activist to the Right as Sodomeyor is to the Left. "Sodo" not smart enough to be on the SC and is as left as AOC. They are two peas in a pod it seems.

Dems always get reliable lefties on the SC while Reps bat .500. This has to change. Would a 6-3 "liberal" god forbid SC EVER rule moderately like the current court does? Not a chance. Sad that Trump apparently got it wrong too.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:08 pm to
Thomas is a conservative every day.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:10 pm to
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Gorsuch are mushy middle


I disagree.

Gorsuch may have had a brain fart here and there but he's shaping up to be a pretty reliable conservative. Not as conservative as Scalia was but much more reliable than Kennedy was.

ACB is a conservative but she's someone that's content to hit for singles and doubles and the occasional triple play. Big fan of small ball she is. Her tenure on the 7th circuit reflected this and so did her first term on the Supreme Court. Roberts can barely hit a single on the occasional hot button case that he leans in a conservative direction on.


The ideological makeup of the court 5-3-1 with the five conservatives, Kavanaugh being the new center, the 3 liberals doing their partisan thing and Roberts just being John Roberts flipping back and forth.


However, the bottom line is that Supreme Court is most definitely not in the control of liberals and progressives and thank god for that.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 2:13 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:11 pm to
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Thomas is a conservative every day.



I hope nothing in my post suggested I thought otherwise.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:14 pm to
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The ideological makeup of the court 5-3-1 with the five conservatives, Kavanaugh being the new center, the 3 liberals doing their partisan thing and Roberts just being John Roberts flipping back and forth.


I don't care what they said in hearings, what people thought of them, etc. I care how they vote.

And it doesn't look "5-3-1" from where I sit. It looks far more 4-4-1 with the 1 rotating depending on the issue.

Expect far, far more 5-4s from this court, and far fewer 7-2s, 6-3s. And that's just not stability, IMHO.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:16 pm to
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The Bush family gave us two duds in Roberts and Souter.

But they also gave us two great MAGA conservative justices in Clarence Thomas and Sam Alito.

Their judicial legacy is a 50/50 wash.

Just like all GOP Presidents.


Bush Sr was a globalist. W was not as big of a globalist, but his father influenced him. Any talk of CT being Chief J was all talk, no action, a lot of hot air. Globalists would not have approved.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:17 pm to
I misread the sentence with him and Alito. My apologies.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:22 pm to
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Bush Sr was a globalist. W was not as big of a globalist


You got that backwards.

Trump's foreign policy actually reflected Bush 41 in a lot of areas, IE realistic and pragmatic.

Bush 41 is the last American President to win a war because he actually stuck to the original parameters of the mission and had the good sense to leave Saddam alone in Iraq because he concluded that his removal didn't serve American interests and he was not a threat to the United States of America.

I could see Trump coming to the same conclusion as well and having waged Desert Storm very similarly too.

Damn shame 41's moron of a son didn't learn from Daddy and 43 was "The GLOBALIST President".
Posted by Crimson1st
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 2:31 pm to
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Dems always get reliable lefties on the SC


That’s because nobody in their right mind would espouse the issues they espouse on the left and be tied to that were they not DEEPLY rooted in the leftist nonsense!
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:12 pm to
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reflective of the new 6-3 conservative majority.


It's a 5-4 majority.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/4/21 at 3:15 pm to
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It's a 5-4 majority.



Maybe. On a good day. This was sort of my point, anyone counting Roberts as part of a "6-3" is uninformed or worse.
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