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re: CIA Director John Brennan makes statement after Durham
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:07 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:07 pm to boosiebadazz
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You’re assuming you know the entirety of information available to Brennan and Comey when they made the decisions they did. How do you know you know the entire universe of information at their disposal then?
because nothing that has come to light since even remotely justifies this horse shite
If it did it would have been leaked.
DO you believe that if they had credible evidence to justify opening an investigation that it would not have been leaked? after all the other leaks?
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:10 pm to gthog61
Same thing that has happened with Clinesmith and Hillary. The old intent defense.
It works for them. It's part of the charging of the crime. We can never prove it and they don't mind lying so, frick it.
It works for them. It's part of the charging of the crime. We can never prove it and they don't mind lying so, frick it.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:17 pm to dafif
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I believe, at a minimum, 4 arrests need to take place.
strozk
page
brennan
comey
possibly rosenstein
Clapper too
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:19 pm to ScottFowler
“Former CIA Director John Brennan delivers the following message through his former chief of staff and spokesperson Nick Shapiro”
So Brennan says he is cleared after all the lies he has spewed and everyone thinks that is the end of it?
So Brennan says he is cleared after all the lies he has spewed and everyone thinks that is the end of it?
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:26 pm to gthog61
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because nothing that has come to light since even remotely justifies this horse shite
If it did it would have been leaked.
DO you believe that if they had credible evidence to justify opening an investigation that it would not have been leaked? after all the other leaks?
I don’t pretend to know that. Some people may take their oaths seriously to keep classified information classified.
I will say I thought this story was underreported at the time and it would not shock me at all if it shows up again in Durham’s probe or his report: LINK
If Brenna ran Misfud at Pap as the pretext because he didn’t like Trump or couldn’t control him then that’s criminal.
But if was privy to other information he couldn’t disclose to the FISA Court and needed something he could disclose to them to listen in then I’m not sure that criminal. We allow parallel construction ( LINK) in routine drug cases; are we not gong to allow it in national security cases when a candidate for President may be directly working with a foreign power to win an election (based info known at the time and Manafort’s redacted WhatsApp messages to kiliminik in the SSCI report notwithstanding)? I’m not sure that’s criminal.
I’m just humble enough to admit I don’t have all the information and am patient enough to let it all come out before passing judgment
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:32 pm to boosiebadazz
“Insurance Policy”
“we will stop him”
Come on, dude. Don’t play stupid.
“we will stop him”
Come on, dude. Don’t play stupid.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:33 pm to OTIS2
Then let the chips fall where they may. But if it’s that obvious and ironclad why is it taking so long?
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:35 pm to boosiebadazz
I have an idea what Brennan said: “You take me down and I tell the public just how many in Washington on both sides frick underage girls, then the Clintons will have you killed. Have a nice day.”
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:37 pm to boosiebadazz
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Who is the one Durham absolutely has to indict for you guys to feel vindicated? Comey or Brennan, right? Does McCabe alone get it done?
Nothing of consequence will come of this unless it’s an atom bomb. It’s either huge or it’s nothing. It will have to be something undeniable, with the smoking gun and perp walks.
I wish it would, but I just don’t see that happening.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:37 pm to ScottFowler
Adam Housley said that’s bs and Brennan is a target
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:40 pm to boosiebadazz
boosie, here are some avenues I think durham COULD be looking at, this is educated speculation
1) Was Downer's "tip" about papadolous enough predicate to open a full-on counter-intel investigation? Durham hinted last year that he disagrees. There wasn't enough info, there was no actual intel that was given, just the memory of some diplomat about a dinner convo. Durham likely asking fbi why they didn't immediately interview papaD instead of throwing undercover agents at him.
2) Were foreign nations keeping an eye on trump team? Was mifsud italian intel, MI6, etc? Was he working for steele? Was he not working for anyone and just some random professor who heard a rumor and relayed it?
3) FISA applications. Did FBI agents conspire to mislead the fisa court?
4) Did the US have intel that suggested russia was also looking for dirt on trump? In so, why wasn't that included in the intel-community assessment?
1) Was Downer's "tip" about papadolous enough predicate to open a full-on counter-intel investigation? Durham hinted last year that he disagrees. There wasn't enough info, there was no actual intel that was given, just the memory of some diplomat about a dinner convo. Durham likely asking fbi why they didn't immediately interview papaD instead of throwing undercover agents at him.
2) Were foreign nations keeping an eye on trump team? Was mifsud italian intel, MI6, etc? Was he working for steele? Was he not working for anyone and just some random professor who heard a rumor and relayed it?
3) FISA applications. Did FBI agents conspire to mislead the fisa court?
4) Did the US have intel that suggested russia was also looking for dirt on trump? In so, why wasn't that included in the intel-community assessment?
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:41 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:It's Brennan or bust, for me anyway.
Does McCabe alone get it done?
He needs to swing....
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:44 pm to TigerAxeOK
quote:here's the issue.
It's Brennan or bust, for me anyway.
what crime did brennan commit?
He may have politicized intelligence, but what specific crime, in your view, did he commit?
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think all four of those questions are playing into the calculus of Durham right now.
But we judge decisions by the info known when they are made, not after the fact. That’s going to be important.
And the US intelligence apparatus is huge and Russia has been a known target for decades. There is no telling the volume of stuff we collected that was parsed through and made it to Brennan’s desk.
Durham will almost have to prove a negative in that there was no other plausible reason for him to open it but for his personal feelings for Trump/ her turn/ smoking gun from Obama or ValJar or someone that high up.
But we judge decisions by the info known when they are made, not after the fact. That’s going to be important.
And the US intelligence apparatus is huge and Russia has been a known target for decades. There is no telling the volume of stuff we collected that was parsed through and made it to Brennan’s desk.
Durham will almost have to prove a negative in that there was no other plausible reason for him to open it but for his personal feelings for Trump/ her turn/ smoking gun from Obama or ValJar or someone that high up.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:54 pm to boosiebadazz
I think the issue is this. This board wants indictments of all the big names. I do too, IF it can be proven they committed a crime.
But that is often difficult to do, and not all scandalous behavior is criminal.
The other issue is that I personally think there could be disclosures, not criminal in nature, but arguably MORE explosive than an indictment.
for example, what if it comes out that mifsud truly was western intel? To me, that would be a bombshell, because it quite literally means the probe was opened based on planted evidence.
but it may not be a crime. What if MI6 found out russia was trying to contact trump campaign and so england sent mifsud to check things out?
The NYT reproted late last year that john durham was asking officials if the CIA had "tricked" the fbi into opening the probe.
That's a bizarre line of questioning on Durham's part, but I think it suggests he believes mifsud very well may be an agent.
But that is often difficult to do, and not all scandalous behavior is criminal.
The other issue is that I personally think there could be disclosures, not criminal in nature, but arguably MORE explosive than an indictment.
for example, what if it comes out that mifsud truly was western intel? To me, that would be a bombshell, because it quite literally means the probe was opened based on planted evidence.
but it may not be a crime. What if MI6 found out russia was trying to contact trump campaign and so england sent mifsud to check things out?
The NYT reproted late last year that john durham was asking officials if the CIA had "tricked" the fbi into opening the probe.
That's a bizarre line of questioning on Durham's part, but I think it suggests he believes mifsud very well may be an agent.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:57 pm to ScottFowler
Bigger fish to fry.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I don’t think that’s out of the question and it gets to what I mentioned earlier.
That Russian agent we exfiltrafed was said to have seen reports before they hit Putin’s desk. We know Manafort played footsy with Kilimnik. We know Russia tried to interfere generally.
What more did Brennan know and did that give him license to send Misfud at Pap as the pretext for the FISA because he couldn’t disclose to the FISA Court the high level source in the Kremlin or sigint or whatever else he knew?
That Russian agent we exfiltrafed was said to have seen reports before they hit Putin’s desk. We know Manafort played footsy with Kilimnik. We know Russia tried to interfere generally.
What more did Brennan know and did that give him license to send Misfud at Pap as the pretext for the FISA because he couldn’t disclose to the FISA Court the high level source in the Kremlin or sigint or whatever else he knew?
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:58 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:2 reasons immediately jump to mind:
But if it’s that obvious and ironclad why is it taking so long?
1) If it isn’t done the right way, the traitors get off easy through political/legal maneuvering that may ultimately result in an acquittal This is what happened/is happening to Flynn and it is only delayed due to Dem judges stalling
2) There is a lot of time before the election. It is best to get the earth-shattering revelations to the public in October or Nov 1st-2nd. This is a big enough story to tank Biden due to the treasonous acts of his and Obama’s administration.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:00 pm to boosiebadazz
Lol, defending Brennan, what a joke.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 11:01 pm to FooManChoo
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1) If it isn’t done the right way, the traitors get off easy through political/legal maneuvering that may ultimately result in an acquittal This is what happened/is happening to Flynn and it is only delayed due to Dem judges stalling
Sure. Rule of law matters. But Durham has been at this for awhile now and if it’s a simple, “OMB, go get him” plot then that seems pretty cut and dry and easy to wrap up.
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2) There is a lot of time before the election. It is best to get the earth-shattering revelations to the public in October or Nov 1st-2nd. This is a big enough story to tank Biden due to the treasonous acts of his and Obama’s administration.
It would be supreme irony for Trump to hold back a prosecution for political effect after the Comey/HRC email fiasco in 2016.
But no part of you has ever thought Brennan, the head of the CIA, may have had more information at his disposal than what is currently publicly known?
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 11:04 pm
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