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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:42 pm to TheDeerHunter
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:42 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:That's quite the accusation.
Interesting. When I give you an opportunity to give me something of substance you respond “A lot” and not the actual Holy Scriptures sung, preached or studied with any specificity. When you have to get off Google AI, you fumble the ball.
I didn’t know you were asking for specifics. Maybe you should be gracious and clear rather than assume I’m lying and taking my answers from AI.
The scriptures and psalms change from week to week. That’s why I didn’t give you specifics.
Here is the liturgy from this last Sunday morning. Please don’t accuse me of lying as it is not just a sin, but a sign that you are not serious.
Welcome and Announcements
Call to Worship: Psalm 106:48
Response to the Call: sing Psalm 29A
Prayer of Invocation
Preaching of the Word: Psalm 29
Pastoral Prayer
Congregational response with the Lord’s Prayer: Matt. 6:9-13
Singing: Psalm 34A
Words of Institution of the Lord’s Supper: 1 Cor. 11:23-32
Singing: Psalm 122A
Administration of the Lord’s Supper
Giving of Tithes and Offerings: sing Psalm 133A
Benediction: Numbers 6:24-26
All told, we read, sing, or hear from 9 different Scripture passages, and many more in the preaching and pastoral prayers.
Is that specific enough?
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Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:46 pm to Knartfocker
quote:No. That isn’t necessary.
Do you maybe want to reword this?
My point was that a circular reason is not irrational but necessary when dealing with ultimate authorities.
quote:Both. The Church recognizes it (though not infallibly) and it is confirmed to the individual.
Finally! The Holy Spirit confirms the canon. Does He confirm it to each individual or to the Church as a whole?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:55 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:
Who FIRST determined what books or letters should make up the New Testament and when were they in total CANONIZED as the New Testament?
If we are talking about some formal declaration I’m guess that would be the Council of Hippo in 393 AD which would have been under the Catholic/Orthodox church.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:56 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
The Church recognizes it (though not infallibly) and it is confirmed to the individual.
So any Tom, Dick or Harry or Foomanchoo can just engage in confirmation bias on what he does or doesn’t want Scriptures to mean. That feeds right into Calvinist doctrines.
Kind of like the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy of predestination y’all champion. If someone confesses Christ and falls away, he was never predestined as a true Scotsman.
Round and round we go with you heretic reprobates.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:56 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
No. That isn’t necessary.
My point was that a circular reason is not irrational but necessary when dealing with ultimate authorities.
Just making sure. From my initial read, it sounded like you were equating the Bible with God.
quote:
Both. The Church recognizes it (though not infallibly) and it is confirmed to the individual.
The Church's recognition isn't infallible, you mean? So the Holy Spirit's confirmation is based on the individual?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:02 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
If you believe your works contribute to your salvation, you are not “Christian”, except possibly in name only.
This is such a ridiculous arrogant assumption.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:03 pm to RandySavage
quote:it's the truth of God's Word.
This is such a ridiculous arrogant assumption.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:05 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:They are free to read and interpret, but not to deviate from what God has told us. The Church does the same thing, but she is no more infallible than Tom, Dick, or Harry.
So any Tom, Dick or Harry or Foomanchoo can just engage in confirmation bias on what he does or doesn’t want Scriptures to mean. That feeds right into Calvinist doctrines.
quote:First, that’s what the Scriptures teach, so if you have a problem with it, take it up with the author.
Kind of like the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy of predestination y’all champion.If someone confesses Christ and falls away, he was never predestined as a true Scotsman.
Second, the falling away fully and finally (no repentance before death) proves that the individual wasn’t elected/predestined to eternal life. God elects and man demonstrates his election by his response to the gospel and perseverance. A profession of faith alone doesn’t mean the person was ever saved.
quote:What I find funny is that I’m accused of being prideful and an egoist, yet I’m not the one claiming exclusivity beyond the gospel. You condemn me because I’m not joined to the mysterious EOC but if you embraced the gospel, I would call you “brother” even if I disagreed with you on most everything else.
Round and round we go with you heretic reprobates.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:10 pm to cssamerican
St Athanasius on the Canon
The Council of Carthage in 393 was for the churches in North Africa, not all of Christendom.
It wasn’t until the 6th Ecumenical Council almost 300 years later when the Bible we know today was canonized under the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC (UNIVERSAL) and APOSTOLIC CHURCH as documented in the Nicene Creed from the Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 324.
Give this a listen when you have time:
How we got the Bible
The Council of Carthage in 393 was for the churches in North Africa, not all of Christendom.
It wasn’t until the 6th Ecumenical Council almost 300 years later when the Bible we know today was canonized under the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC (UNIVERSAL) and APOSTOLIC CHURCH as documented in the Nicene Creed from the Ecumenical Council of Nicea in 324.
Give this a listen when you have time:
How we got the Bible
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:12 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:
Round and round we go with you heretic reprobates.
I may disagree with Foo on certain issues, but our opinions are rooted in Scripture and have always been approached respectfully. As we are brothers in Christ, striving to grow in our understanding of Scripture.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:14 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:
Give this a listen when you have time: How we got the Bible
Will do!
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:14 pm to Knartfocker
quote:The Bible is God’s word, so it has His ultimate authority. There is no higher authority, even the Church.
Just making sure. From my initial read, it sounded like you were equating the Bible with God.
quote:Yes, the church’s recognition isn’t infallible, but it is a witness to the Scriptures. The Scriptures, themselves, are self-authenticating and affirmed by the testimony of the Spirit.
The Church's recognition isn't infallible, you mean? So the Holy Spirit's confirmation is based on the individual?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:14 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Again, show me in the Scriptures where that is the case. Otherwise, you are allowing the traditions of men to govern the Bible, including non-Christian traditions.
You aren't aware of the fact that many Jews believe that the Sacrifice of the Todah will endure into the Messianic Age? And you don't believe it because you don't see it in the Bible?
Are you aware that many Sacred Jewish doctrines are NOT in the Jewish Bible? "Bible Alone" is the creed of your personal doctrine but this is not at all shared with Judaism. You can research it for yourself.
The Jewish believe that God Himself directly handed down some doctrine without it being written explicitly in the Holy Bible.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:15 pm to cssamerican
quote:Amen, brother
I may disagree with Foo on certain issues, but our opinions are rooted in Scripture and have always been approached respectfully. As we are brothers in Christ, striving to grow in our understanding of Scripture.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:17 pm to Champagne
quote:Do you believe all the traditions of the Jews?
You aren't aware of the fact that many Jews believe that the Sacrifice of the Todah will endure into the Messianic Age? And you don't believe it because you don't see it in the Bible?
Are you aware that many Sacred Jewish doctrines are NOT in the Jewish Bible? "Bible Alone" is the creed of your personal doctrine but this is not at all shared with Judaism. You can research it for yourself.
The Jewish believe that God Himself directly handed down some doctrine without it being written explicitly in the Holy Bible.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:18 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
You condemn me because I’m not joined to the mysterious EOC but if you embraced the gospel, I would call you “brother” even if I disagreed with you on most everything else.
No Foomanchoo, I have not “condemned” you. A heresy means false belief and we call it out to one made in the image of God so they will
turn away/repent (metanoia).
The Church is the Gospel; why do you keep trying to separate it? Without being in the Church, we’re soloists apt to go whichever way we choose.
The Holy Scriptures say our God is not one of confusion, however, every Protestant assembly is preaching different sermons and worshiping as they see fit and somehow that is to resemble our God who created the Universe with precision and order?
Sadness. God bless you Foomanchoo. I pray you seek Christ with your whole heart and mind and soul.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:20 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
The Bible the ultimate authority, not the Church.
How is this possible when Jesus Christ left us with a Church when He ascended to Heaven? His Church assembled the Bible over the course of centuries - and during all of those centuries the Ultimate Authority was The Church.
Foo, do you see the fallacy of your logic? The Bible is a product of the Church because the Church came first and assembled the Bible. Jesus told us to follow His Church. He didn't leave a Bible and say "Bible Alone - follow that."
Your arguments are specious and don't stand up to close and fully informed scrutiny IMHO.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:20 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:This is the message I hope everyone curious about the EOC sees, as it highlights the false gospel you proclaim.
The Church is the Gospel; why do you keep trying to separate it? Without being in the Church, we’re soloists apt to go whichever way we choose.
Jesus Christ and Him crucified for sinners is the gospel.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:21 pm to cssamerican
quote:
but our opinions
When I went to Airborne School, I didn’t care what the Black Hats opinions on physics or Scriptures were, I wanted TRUTH.
Seek Truth. You will always find it.
This post was edited on 9/10/25 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:24 pm to hashtag
I could post many Bible verses that say otherwise
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