re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump

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The Gospel of Foo DECLARES for all time that once the last Apostle had died, no other human beings carried forth their "special office" despite the fact that Christ Himself told Peter: "Feel my sheep."

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The office of Apostle perished with John.

The authority to govern the Church passed on to the presbyters that were set up in each congregation, but that was not apostolic authority.

Also, Jesus showed mercy to Peter by recommissioning him to his office of Apostle, after he had betrayed his savior. All of the Apostles were charged with feeding and caring for the flock of Christ, and the elders commissioned to their office by the Apostles were charged with the same care, by Peter, no less (1 Peter 5:2).

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I don't see anywhere in the Bible that the Apostles' special mission was over once the last Apostle died. In fact, the NT presents passages and evidence to indicate that Christ appointed Church leaders who would carry the special mission forward to the End of Time.

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The elders were given authority to govern as undershepherds, but not to carry on an unbreaking chain of "apostolic succession" in the way that Rome states, with a bishop of Rome having absolute primacy.

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The office of Apostle perished with John. The authority to govern the Church passed on to the presbyters that were set up in each congregation, but that was not apostolic authority. Also, Jesus showed mercy to Peter by recommissioning him to his office of Apostle, after he had betrayed
as his savior.

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1st paragraph from the Book of Foomanchoo located in the Fiction section near Dungeons and Dragons.

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Church passed on to the presbyters that were set up in each congregation, but that was not apostolic authority.

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The Greek word "presbyter" means "Priest" in English, so, Christ did indeed bequeath a Church hierarchy to us, and the ground floor of the hierarchy was the Priesthood. We know this because the Church started laying hands on and anointing presbyters/priests while Christ still walked the Earth.

So, we differ. You say that the authority of the Apostles died when the last Apostle died, but, I say that Christ appointed a Church hierarchy that carries the Apostles' mission to this day.

And this is necessary, I will add, because the OT tells us that the Sacrifice of the Todah is ordained by God to continue to the End of Time. The EOC/RCC both carry forth this Sacrifice in the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

So it is absolutely necessary for Christ to rely on Apostolic Succession to carry forth the obligation to continue the Sacrifice of the Todah/Eucharist, and this Sacrifice will continue to be present in Time and past, in Time, until the End of Time itself.

Go and be well, Foo.

There’s no such thing as a liberal Christian. It’s an oxymoron.

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The Greek word "presbyter" means "Priest" in English

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No, it means "elder". The word episkopos means "overseer" or "bishop", and both words are used synonymously with one another (Acts 20).

"Priest" is hiereus in the Greek, and archiereus means "High Priest".

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so, Christ did indeed bequeath a Church hierarchy to us, and the ground floor of the hierarchy was the Priesthood. We know this because the Church started laying hands on and anointing presbyters/priests while Christ still walked the Earth.

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Again, the elders/overseers were not priests.

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So, we differ. You say that the authority of the Apostles died when the last Apostle died, but, I say that Christ appointed a Church hierarchy that carries the Apostles' mission to this day.

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I don't see that from the Scriptures.

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And this is necessary, I will add, because the OT tells us that the Sacrifice of the Todah is ordained by God to continue to the End of Time. The EOC/RCC both carry forth this Sacrifice in the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

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Where was the todah commanded to be observed for forever? The sacrifices of animals were perpetual, but ceased in the fulfillment of Christ's death on the cross as their fulfillment. The Eucharist is not the continuation of the todah. The Scriptures don't teach that it is.

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So it is absolutely necessary for Christ to rely on Apostolic Succession to carry forth the obligation to continue the Sacrifice of the Todah/Eucharist, and this Sacrifice will continue to be present in Time and past, in Time, until the End of Time itself.

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This is a continual problem with Rome. She keeps going back to types and shadows.

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Using your argumentative approach…Scriptural source?

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The office was foundational, not continuing (Eph. 2:20) and were either eye-witnesses to Christ's ministry (Acts 1:21–22; 1 Cor. 9:1), or were directly appointed by Christ, Himself (Luke 6:13; Acts 9:15; Gal. 1:1). They were also attested to by "signs and wonders" to prove their authority and office (2 Cor. 12:12).

Let me know once the American Pope performs miracles after revealing he has seen the risen Lord Jesus Christ

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I believe God's promise is true that He will preserve His word (and has), and the historical evidence of the transmission of the text shows that it has been reliably preserved.

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I should have clarified. The transmission of the various texts is a completely different and fascinating topic, but many non biblical books have been transmitted as well. My question should have been if the church was already in error, how do you know you have the right Bible?

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I should have clarified. The transmission of the various texts is a completely different and fascinating topic, but many non biblical books have been transmitted as well. My question should have been if the church was already in error, how do you know you have the right Bible?

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Its the same answer I just gave.

It’s the same response I would give if someone asked if Jesus knew the Old Testament Bible wasn’t corrupted just because the Pharisees and Jewish elders were corrupt.

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She keeps going back to types and shadows.

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We are simply keeping the Faith that we believe that Jesus Christ Himself handed down to us through his Church.

The Sacrifice of the Todah, say the Hebrews, is the only ancient sacrifice that will continue into the Messianic Age.

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We are simply keeping the Faith that we believe that Jesus Christ Himself handed down to us through his Church.

The Sacrifice of the Todah, say the Hebrews, is the only ancient sacrifice that will continue into the Messianic Age.

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Again, show me in the Scriptures where that is the case. Otherwise, you are allowing the traditions of men to govern the Bible, including non-Christian traditions.