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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:52 pm to EKG
I would like to add ... if any of you here on PT is in need of prayer, please speak out, so that I can lift you.
If you don't want to say anything, remember that Jesus hears and finishes our unspoken prayers.
If you don't want to say anything, remember that Jesus hears and finishes our unspoken prayers.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:52 pm to Gaspergou202
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Mother Teresa
Christopher Hitchens has some interesting thoughts on where she falls on that spectrum.
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The three most powerful forces on the planet are science, politics, and religion. All can bring wonderful things to humanity. Science gives technology that improves the quality of life. Politics give us laws and coalitions to protect our lives and rights. Religion gives meaning, purpose, and confidence to life. Unfortunately, all can bring devastation to humanity. Science can bring nuclear extinction. Politics can bring gulags, death camps, and suppression of rights and thoughts. Religion can bring human sacrifice, inquisitions, and terrorist. Hell, even your car can take you to Disney World or the morgue equally well.
It's almost like people and their decisions are the only verifiable constant.
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Logically you can't oppose either completely either.
I don't agree with this. There are certainly aspects of each that are good or bad, as you pointed out. That doesn't mean it isn't logical to oppose one completely. Obviously, I'm talking about religion. I don't know of anything and I've never seen anything that I consider a positive that could only result from a religious worldview.
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I'm sorry that your life experience has made religiousness in general (and I suspect Fundamentalists Christians in particular) an odious force. But to paraphrase you: Most of us view religion as a positive to some degree as well.
It isn't really my life experiences. I've had a great life. I have no hatred for someone because they are religious. I simply wasn't raised religious and I've never had any compelling reason to adhere to anything religion alone offers.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:54 pm to Tactical1
No im not going to go with the ol santa defense. Just like I can't prove to you their is a God none of you can prove that their isn't. There is a lot more evidence that points to God existing than there being no God. The fine tuning of life on Earth is one example.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:57 pm to Argonaut
Many people of faith weren't raised with religion, Argonaut.
You seem like a good egg.
I hope you don't eschew religion as a result of those among us who push and intimidate.
There's room at the table for all.
You seem like a good egg.
I hope you don't eschew religion as a result of those among us who push and intimidate.
There's room at the table for all.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:58 pm to Brazos
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No im not going to go with the ol santa defense. Just like I can't prove to you their is a God none of you can prove that their isn't.
I can't prove to you that Santa is real, just like you can't prove to me that he isn't.
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There is a lot more evidence that points to God existing than there being no God.
Lay out any evidence you have for the existence of God.
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The fine tuning of life on Earth is one example.
This isn't evidence for the existence of God.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:02 pm to EKG
I certainly see the value in religion for some people, and I think it's great that some people take comfort in religion. I simply do not.
I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but the best example I could give would be one that I know. I have a family member who was addicted to some pretty hard drugs. She was going down the wrong path in life and was arrested with her kids in the car with her. She did her time, found religion, and has been sober since. I think that's great for her, and I'd certainly rather sift through her Jesus quotes on Facebook than hear about her dying with a needle in her veins.
That's one example, but I just don't value that personally. That's not so say I know anything more than anyone else. I just don't view things the same way as some of you.
I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way, but the best example I could give would be one that I know. I have a family member who was addicted to some pretty hard drugs. She was going down the wrong path in life and was arrested with her kids in the car with her. She did her time, found religion, and has been sober since. I think that's great for her, and I'd certainly rather sift through her Jesus quotes on Facebook than hear about her dying with a needle in her veins.
That's one example, but I just don't value that personally. That's not so say I know anything more than anyone else. I just don't view things the same way as some of you.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:06 pm to Argonaut
You don't owe me or anyone else an explanation.
Just know that you're always welcome.
And again, don't let the bad apples turn you off.
Glad to hear your family member is doing well.
Just know that you're always welcome.
And again, don't let the bad apples turn you off.
Glad to hear your family member is doing well.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:09 pm to Argonaut
quote:It's true that non-religious worldviews can produce what we consider "good" for humanity. However those worldviews have no basis for that "good" and really cannot even provide a moral definition of "good" that isn't utilitarian and contextually applicable.
I don't know of anything and I've never seen anything that I consider a positive that could only result from a religious worldview.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:22 pm to JCdawg
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This just goes to show you how fricking looney our civilization is
As a generalization, if someone is a Christian, then practicing Christian beliefs shouldn't seem looney. Christians are taught to pray for others and to lay hands on the individual being prayed for in a group setting. It's a symbolic show of who is specifically being prayed for.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:34 pm to MButterfly
Praying to an imaginary figure, for an imaginary figure.
Sounds right.
Sounds right.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:36 pm to Loungefly85
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NO WHITE PEOPLE!!!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:40 pm to Argonaut
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I don't agree with this. [Rejection is science or religion in their entirety] There are certainly aspects of each that are good or bad, as you pointed out. That doesn't mean it isn't logical to oppose one completely. Obviously, I'm talking about religion. I don't know of anything and I've never seen anything that I consider a positive that could only result from a religious worldview
Sorry, I just can't concede the logic of discarding something that one concedes has value in it. When one pans for gold, the first thing noted in the scoop is rocks! Lots and lots of worthless rocks. Might even find something bad like a biting diving beetle or a blood sucking leach! But you don't throw pan and all into the river. You pick out the gravel and find worthless sand. Then you pan out the regular sand, and you find black sand and OMG gold nuggets and flakes! Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
I love mixing my metaphors!
I actually met a guy that financed his way through college by panning for gold. Really! Sure there were other ways he could have financed his education but I wouldn't advocate opposing gold panning.
Resist the bad in religion, but don't oppose it all. Look for the good, and you might just find a gold nugget. Man I love my metaphors, mixed or not!
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It isn't really my life experiences. I've had a great life. I have no hatred for someone because they are religious. I simply wasn't raised religious and I've never had any compelling reason to adhere to anything religion alone offers.
Good, I'm glad nothing bad happened to you.
I was raised in a family where the thought of raw fish was revolting! With cooked proteins like pork, beef, chicken, lamb, seafood etc. there was no compelling reason to eat raw minnows. Then I asked a girl where she wanted to eat, and you guessed it, sushi bar! Well since I had un-Christian plans for her, we went.
Love the stuff! Completely regret that I spent two decades without this wonderful stuff- sushi not women! There goes my metaphor addiction again!
Argonaut
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:56 pm to Brazos
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There is a lot more evidence that points to God existing than there being no God.
Except there isn't.
You're just telling yourself this, and you know it.
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The fine tuning of life on Earth is one example.
No it is not.
Like I said earlier, the person that says this
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And how do you know God doesn't exist? Please show me proof.
Has nothing, and will bring nothing to the discussion. Kind of like what you just did.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:59 pm to FooManChoo
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It's true that non-religious worldviews can produce what we consider "good" for humanity. However those worldviews have no basis for that "good" and really cannot even provide a moral definition of "good" that isn't utilitarian and contextually applicable.
I don't think a basis for morality needs to be something concrete. Not understanding something completely isn't the same as something not existing. Religion certainly isn't a concrete basis for morality, and the outcomes are easily manipulated in either view.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:03 pm to MButterfly
Damn Republicans are weird frickers
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:04 pm to Argonaut
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I have a family member who was addicted to some pretty hard drugs.
Argonaut I one finger type very slowly. I just laughed at a personal addiction and joined back into the tread. I found the above quote. Please note that I am not making fun of or insensitive to your family concerns!
I hope I caused no harm!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:05 pm to Gaspergou202
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Sorry, I just can't concede the logic of discarding something that one concedes has value in it.
Since you used fish, I feel OK using something familiar to me.
I have no use for Apple products. I see the value in them, but I think we'd all be just fine or maybe better off without Apple's products. I don't necessarily think we should eradicate them, but we could certainly do so.
It isn't a perfect analogy and not something I'd read too deeply into, but I think it gets my point across.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:14 pm to Tactical1
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And how do you know God doesn't exist? Please show me proof. I'll hang up and listen. People that use this argument have no idea how silly they sound. So you're going to go with the old Santa Claus defense huh?
Looks like your the one that sounds silly
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:16 pm to MButterfly
Let's lighten is up a bit.
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