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re: Christians Praying over Trump in Oval office
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:50 am to MastrShake
Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:50 am to MastrShake
quote:I agree with you, in part. Unbelievers who pray to God are performing an exercise in futility because God doesn't hear/answer the prayers of those who do not trust in Christ, who is our only mediator between God and man.
its a 100% worthless act.
quote:While you want to believe that God doesn't exist, a lot of people (including myself) are convinced of His existence and His sovereignty over all things.
youre asking something that doesnt exist for help instead of focusing on the problem on your own. youre wasting time and energy on something that isnt real. when you believe in this nonsense, you always have that hope that the problem will magically just go away, and thats assuming "magic" isnt your number 1 plan.
God does answer the prayers of Christians, but He doesn't always answer with "yes". When He does answer prayer in the affirmative, He typically does so by using other people. Christians aren't supposed to just pray, but to live their lives in service to God and to man through the charitable obedience to God's law which produces help for those in need and compassion on those who are in need of it.
quote:When you stop being religious and believe that you are on your own, you should come to the conclusion in that case that there is no point to life, there is no goal, there is no mandate to help others or to fix problems. Each person in that worldview has no directive and can help, hurt, or be neutral all they want. Christians have hope and faith that leads to positive actions towards others. The atheist can be good if they want, but they have no reason to do so outside of what they consider as "good" in their own subjective sense of morality.
when you stop being religious you finally understand that we're on our own here, we have to make this world, we have to make our own lives and fix our own problems.
quote:Christians do help others. Many lack the means to help outside of their community, which is why it seems like they aren't helping others in Africa or the ME or even in other states in our own country. There are a LOT of needy people in the world, including and especially in our own households at times, and those closest to us in our communities (family, friends, church, work, towns, etc.) tend to get the bulk of our charity.
i see people sending "prayers" and nothing else to people in trouble and i lose my mind. don't chant to the fricking wall, get the frick up and go help that person. we're all in this together, we are all we have, grow up and accept that. the world will be a better place when you do.
Prayer to God is meant to entreat Him to use those people who do have the means, time, and ability to help those we can't reach. On top of that, many Christians do give and help those throughout the world who need help, but then people like you just argue that it's not the right help or not enough, like when you (I think it was you) mocked and ridiculed a mission work dedicated to providing digital Bibles to those ravaged in Haiti.
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 10:51 am to MButterfly
DAE think the traditions of our ancestors and the culture of the people that built this fricking country is creepy? Why doesn't he get with the times and LARP as a woman in the girl's restroom which is perfectly normal and part of our real values, bigots? Ugh, so gross to see the traditions, values, and identity of america upheld in the WH. This is why we need demographic replacement.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:05 am to olddawg26
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I'm very very close to being an atheist, yet I understand the importance of prayer to people. I have the more profound comments on the first page, as an atheist I said those things. Think about that.
First I wasn't responding to you. I wasn't even responding to the original post that was neutral. Second I agreed with both your posts on page one and upvoted each. Third, I myself, have gone through intense periods of doubt and uncertainty that crossed into atheism. You have my sympathy and understanding! Last, I have thought intensely about this, and high among many conclusions is that religion and morality are only loosely correlated.
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My grandad included obama in every prayer I heard him say, and my grandad made bamarep look like a want. Prayer isn't partisan. I think we're all supposed to pray for those we disagree with, especially if they're the head of our own country
Short, to the point, and 100% correct!
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Much of what you perceive as negative is actually just different and threatens your faith due to logic. The religious can be just as intolerant as the non.
I don't perceive differences as negative or threatening. All Christian faiths, all Jewish faiths, all Muslim, all Eastern faiths and mysticism, Voodoo, Paganism, agnostics, gnostics, and atheists are welcome in my world. Anything other than that was in your misperceptions of me and mine. That's ok we don't know each other. I hope all of the above desire and ask for guidance for all including whoever is president.
All people of all religions and nonreligions, educated and ignorant, male and female, heterosexual and homosexual, smart and dumb, and in all races and cultures can be intolerable. Fortunately, the reverse is equally true.
Finally, I embrace logic. It led me back to faith.
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quote: intolerant arseholes This is kinda an oxymoron.
Actually the exact opposite of oxymoronic.
ox·y·mo·ron
?äks?'môr?än/
noun
a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g., faith unfaithful kept him falsely true ).
There is high correlation between the two. All the intolerant are arseholes, and most arseholes are intolerant.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:08 am to Gaspergou202
Fair enough/m. I don't hate on religion as long as they're peaceful, certainly don't need sympathy for my beliefs though. I appreciate the rationale on an otherwise fairly irrational board. Cheers
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:12 am to MastrShake
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its a 100% worthless act.
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i see people sending "prayers" and nothing else to people in trouble and i lose my mind.
You sure do seem to get awfully worked up over a "100% worthless act".
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:22 am to olddawg26
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certainly don't need sympathy for my beliefs though.
My apologies.
As I wrote earlier, we don't know each other.
I was projecting the dejection and devastation of my personal atheistic periods onto you. The thought of personal extinction and permanent oblivion was and is terrifying to me. I also fear for the weakness of my personal faith, since my personal spiritual journey has crossed the border between belief and non-belief several times and unfortunately may in the future.
I can only use my own human experience to empathize with you absent other information. Again, I apologize for making assumptions and projections about your spiritual life. I do hope and pray that it is a rewarding and successful journey.
Edit: I love autocorrect but sometimes
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:32 am to SSpaniel
quote:yes, because those people tell themselves theyre helping, as if the problem is now being looked at because they told the ceiling about it, and it isnt, theyre doing nothing.
You sure do seem to get awfully worked up over a "100% worthless act".
edit: how many times have we seen a child die because their parents prayed instead of actually doing something.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:36 am to Wtodd
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No not really
OK, but it's still creepy, whether you admit it or not.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:42 am to Gaspergou202
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If you don't believe in the Christian God, how does this hurt?
It perpetuates religion. Whether you agree or not, many people view religion in total as a bad thing. Most of us view religion as a negative to some degree.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:42 am to Brazos
quote:It's not my burden to prove something doesn't exist...wtf
And how do you know God doesn't exist? Please show me proof. I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:51 am to Yak
I saw eyes form in a prayer service in Mexico ... that helped my belief ...
Posted on 7/12/17 at 11:55 am to NashvilleTider
quote:And I saw flying pig spiders when I did shrooms in college...
I saw eyes form in a prayer service in Mexico ... that helped my belief ...
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:01 pm to Brazos
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And how do you know God doesn't exist? Please show me proof. I'll hang up and listen.
People that use this argument have no idea how silly they sound.
So you're going to go with the old Santa Claus defense huh?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:02 pm to olddawg26
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Prayer isn't partisan. I think we're all supposed to pray for those we disagree with, especially if they're the head of our own country
This.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:15 pm to MButterfly
Praying for an iterseccion to straighten him out.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:18 pm to Yak
quote:It's not just about burden but possibility. You may not be required to prove that God doesn't exist, but could you prove it? Of course you can't, because that would require omniscience and omnipresence (you'd have to be God). So, his point is that you don't know for sure so it's your belief that there is no God. We believe there is a God and you believe there isn't one.
It's not my burden to prove something doesn't exist...wtf
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:31 pm to jacob4bama
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Christians have donated more money, dedicated more of their lives, and organized more relief here and around the world than any atheist group has ever done. Sure there are plenty who claim Christianity that don't live it out, but there are many Christians who are dedicating their lives to help the poor and less fortunate. Of course, I am sure you make mother teressa look like a self-centered brat...
Your post is very true.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:34 pm to Argonaut
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It perpetuates religion. Whether you agree or not, many people view religion in total as a bad thing. Most of us view religion as a negative to some degree.
Fair enough. Logical.
All forms of human endeavor have positive and negative aspects. Mother Teresa's shite stank, and Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian who loved animals.
The three most powerful forces on the planet are science, politics, and religion. All can bring wonderful things to humanity. Science gives technology that improves the quality of life. Politics give us laws and coalitions to protect our lives and rights. Religion gives meaning, purpose, and confidence to life. Unfortunately, all can bring devastation to humanity. Science can bring nuclear extinction. Politics can bring gulags, death camps, and suppression of rights and thoughts. Religion can bring human sacrifice, inquisitions, and terrorist. Hell, even your car can take you to Disney World or the morgue equally well.
It is logical to oppose what one believes is evil or negative, and it is equally logical to support what one perceives as positive or good. Fortunately, in America both not only can exist but can advocate for their beliefs.
But it is just as illogical to be anti science as anti religious. Logically you can't oppose both completely either. One should and must speak out about the negative aspects off all things in the big three. If you oppose the teaching of creationism in science classes fine. So do I. But don't advocate marginalization of their rights because of their beliefs.
I'm sorry that your life experience has made religiousness in general (and I suspect Fundamentalists Christians in particular) an odious force. But to paraphrase you: Most of us view religion as a positive to some degree as well.
Edit: had to fix an extremely awkward sentence.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:36 pm to FooManChoo
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Prayer to God is meant to entreat Him to use those people who do have the means, time, and ability to help those we can't reach. On top of that, many Christians do give and help those throughout the world who need help, but then people like you just argue that it's not the right help or not enough, like when you (I think it was you) mocked and ridiculed a mission work dedicated to providing digital Bibles to those ravaged in Haiti.
Well said.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:38 pm to MButterfly
I find this very comforting.
Undoubtedly the President did as well.
Hoping this isn't a one-time deal.
God bless you, sir; many of us pray for you daily.
Undoubtedly the President did as well.
Hoping this isn't a one-time deal.
God bless you, sir; many of us pray for you daily.
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