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re: Christian Soccer Player Refuses To Wear Gay Pride Jersey, Withdraws From National Team
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:13 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:13 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:The poster I was responding to was talking about "sports" in general. The Kaep shite wouldn't even be on the news if we didn't insist on playing the national anthem (inherently political) at NFL games. So don't.
No national anthem...for the national team?
Rapinoe sort of annoys me with her self-righteousness. Her message just seems muddled by her participation. If you don't like the anthem due to it representing this country you are not happy with, then fine. But then also...don't play soccer with their name emblazoned all over your jersey. How is that any different than the anthem?
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Posted on 6/26/19 at 4:19 pm to Dizz
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Camps last longer than a day but it's not like she was a regular starter before this happened. If she was a starter she would have been on the team
Yep they average 7-14 days.
She is considered one of, if not the best defender in the league. Trying out for a team that is in need of defenders.
She wont be on the team until Ellis and Rapinoe leave.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 5:59 pm to FooManChoo
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True, which is a really good thing. However we're still talking about unnecessarily killing human lives (in my view) so even the exception is important to tackle.
I view elective abortion as a huge problem that needs to be ended, and the vast minority of abortions are non-elective, meaning that we can still tackle the problem of the "rule" for abortion first and then the exceptions, if we can't do both at the same time.
That's all fine, but bringing us back on topic, at least be honest that you're OK with attacking the exception rather than the rule when it suits your point. Otherwise, it's not a numbers game and distribution doesn't really matter.
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In this scenario, the "rule" seems to be that the left makes an emotional spectacle out of everything they don't like while the right generally doesn't. The exception is that all groups have people that defy the rules.
The rule is that most of "the left" has very little to say about anything. The exception is that both sides have small pockets of irrational and vocal people who make a spectacle out of things they do not agree with.
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Key word I used is "governed". Almost everyone has emotions and emotions affect people differently, but it's my observation that leftists tend to be governed by their emotions more than reason or principle, meaning they are pretty inconsistent with what they claim to believe and how they act, and they tend to provide more impassioned responses to their perceived problems than those on the right.
I don't disagree, I'm simply saying that it's not just people on the left who behave like this. Abortion discussion quickly goes downhill, and it's at least partially because one side has a tendency to accuse the other of supporting murder. That's an emotional reaction, whether you believe it to be correct or not.
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The riots we see, the vulgar public expressions of absolute hate and disgust we see, the violence in demonstrations and the desire to completely shut down the other side tends to come from the left, at least for events that are nationally broadcasted.
That's my percecption which I admit may be biased, but I don't see an Antifa on the right these days, or a conservative version of Hollywood and media that is doing to the left what they have been doing to us.
Maybe, but is that an indication of "reason and principle" or simply inaction and indifference? I'd argue that for many, it's the latter.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:20 pm to Argonaut
quote:I try to be honest in everything I do and say and this is no exception. Of course I'm fine with attacking the exception but that also depends on what the exception and the rule are. With this topic, I condemn the exception for conservatives (being emotionally-driven) as I do the rule for leftists, but when judging entire groups, we have to generalize, and generally speaking, the left has a much more violent, aggressive, and/or hateful response to that which they don't like than conservatives.
That's all fine, but bringing us back on topic, at least be honest that you're OK with attacking the exception rather than the rule when it suits your point. Otherwise, it's not a numbers game and distribution doesn't really matter.
I can focus on the exception but the rule (for leftists) needs to be addressed first.
quote:It's becoming increasingly more common for those "small pockets" to have more power with the left. Entertainment, (social) media, and education all are dominated by leftists who do not tolerate dissenting viewpoints and aggressively fight against those. Even leftist-run corporations are doing this.
The rule is that most of "the left" has very little to say about anything. The exception is that both sides have small pockets of irrational and vocal people who make a spectacle out of things they do not agree with.
You have businesses like Bank of America that are flat-out refusing to do business with for-profit detention centers because they are misled about what those centers are doing. Hollywood is boycotting states over abortion while continuing to do business in abortion-hostile countries to prove a political point. Facebook, Twitter, youtube and other social media and tech sites are outright banning content and/or contributors for dissenting viewpoints. You have leftist organizations like Antifa doxxing people to ruin lives for simply having opinions. CNN stops asking back contributors who do not align with their viewpoints.
The left is becoming increasingly more and more intolerant of opposing viewpoints and this is translating into physical and financial harm to others, all based on emotionally-driven ideology.
quote:I agree, but there's also a difference between having an emotional reaction and having that emotional reaction dictate your actions and how you relate to others. Sure, calling abortion "murder" is emotional, but for a Christian like myself, I view abortion as literally murder in God's eyes, so it's both an emotional and intellectual issue. Even if you remove "murder" from the vocabulary, you can still have emotional and rational argumentation over the topic.
I don't disagree, I'm simply saying that it's not just people on the left who behave like this. Abortion discussion quickly goes downhill, and it's at least partially because one side has a tendency to accuse the other of supporting murder. That's an emotional reaction, whether you believe it to be correct or not.
The difference, though, is that leftists tend to let their emotions translate over to their actions and try to ruin others that they disagree with. And that's really the issue here, as the Christian soccer player didn't try to ruin the team or the organization, but instead pulled herself out of the team. Leftists who disagree generally attack the organization itself.
quote:It could be either or both, but at least speaking for myself and many conservatives that I know, it's more of the former. We are generally not inclined to violence or trying to hurt others because we don't like something. We may bitch and moan about it to each other or even have a peaceful boycott or a passionate debate or discussion, but we aren't going to out our leftist friends (or enemies) and try to get them fired or try to hurt them. We have our disagreement and move on.
Maybe, but is that an indication of "reason and principle" or simply inaction and indifference? I'd argue that for many, it's the latter.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:30 pm to The Maj
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However, the pink hair fricks want their cake, want someone to bake their cake and they want to eat their fricking cake while sitting naked in a public library holding story hour...
Sig-worthy, Maj.
Posted on 6/26/19 at 6:32 pm to FooManChoo
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I can focus on the exception but the rule (for leftists) needs to be addressed first.
That isn't what you're doing. The behavior you keep bringing up isn't the rule. If you're not going to be honest enough to admit that, fine, but it makes the discussion pointless.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:11 am to Argonaut
quote:The rule for leftists seems to be ideological inconsistency driven by emotion rather than reason. This is why the trend in violence, aggressive rhetoric, and shutdown of the opposition lies with the left vs. the right.
That isn't what you're doing. The behavior you keep bringing up isn't the rule. If you're not going to be honest enough to admit that, fine, but it makes the discussion pointless.
Yes, the vast, vast majority of leftists are not the ones with the power to hurt others and ban opposition, but the ideology is still present and the desire still there. When talking about majority of public acts, they are coming from the left. The rule, in that situation, is that the left is to blame for most of such public nastiness and hatred while the exception would be such things being performed by the right, or rather by conservatives.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:13 pm to FooManChoo
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The rule for leftists seems to be ideological inconsistency driven by emotion rather than reason.
That's your perception, and I'd be comfortable saying that it's heavily biased.
I guess I'll say it again. The behavior you keep bringing up isn't the rule. If you're not going to be honest enough to admit that, fine, but it makes the discussion pointless.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:28 pm to Argonaut
quote:It could be. I'm basing it on what I see in the news and what I personally experience in a blue state surrounded by very "progressive" individuals, and so it could be very biased.
That's your perception, and I'd be comfortable saying that it's heavily biased.
quote:The behavior isn't the rule, yes. I said as much when I said "Yes, the vast, vast majority of leftists are not the ones with the power to hurt others and ban opposition". However when you compare the aggressive and hateful acts being perpetrated, the "rule" is that the left is performing them.
I guess I'll say it again. The behavior you keep bringing up isn't the rule. If you're not going to be honest enough to admit that, fine, but it makes the discussion pointless.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:31 pm to LuckyTiger
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If you don’t publicly endorse and personally support the promotion of homosexuality there is no place for you.
If you don’t publicly respect the Flag and national anthem of the country and openly choose to disrespect them, welcome.
All in the name of tolerance, openness, and inclusivity.
Yeah I'd like to see how this would fly in a Muslim country while they are coddling every group except conservatives and Christians...
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:34 pm to FooManChoo
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It could be. I'm basing it on what I see in the news and what I personally experience in a blue state surrounded by very "progressive" individuals, and so it could be very biased.
It is. You provide anecdotal evidence and flatly admit a disdain for your sample. There's no other way to read that.
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However when you compare the aggressive and hateful acts being perpetrated, the "rule" is that the left is performing them.
Ok, so I guess I'll ask my other question again. Do you have anything to support that, or just "it's what I seen on the television news?"
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:38 pm to L.A.
I dont care either way what she does. I only wish she receive the same praise for standing for her beliefs as Rapinoe or any other athlete. That is the two sided coin and not the one sided on where there can be only one way of acceptance.
I may not like Rapinoes stances but she has the liberty to do as she wishes as long as she has no jeopardized anothers pursuit of life, liberty, and land themselves.
But we see that isnt the case. They want to shut up everyone and why i cant take the Rapinoes of the world seriously. They want respect but dont give any. That isnt how this works. It isnt how anything works in a free society.
I may not like Rapinoes stances but she has the liberty to do as she wishes as long as she has no jeopardized anothers pursuit of life, liberty, and land themselves.
But we see that isnt the case. They want to shut up everyone and why i cant take the Rapinoes of the world seriously. They want respect but dont give any. That isnt how this works. It isnt how anything works in a free society.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Maybe we should remove the national anthem from sports? Moments of silence/prayer? etc.
Maybe we should stop wearing rainbow shite because you want someone to know you take it up the arse or you scissor twist with Suzie. Play the fricking game and STFU.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:50 pm to L.A.
Article is from 2017
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:07 pm to L.A.
This is from 2017. She wasn’t good enough to make this years World Cup squad.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:30 pm to lynxcat
Lol still so brave. So brave
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:34 pm to Argonaut
quote:Yes, I've provided anecdotal evidence so far. My sample size is fairly large, as my friends, family, and close acquaintances are in the hundreds for the past few years, spanning all kinds of political ideologies from conservative republicans to libertarians to "moderate" democrats and even far leftists.
It is. You provide anecdotal evidence and flatly admit a disdain for your sample. There's no other way to read that.
I'm also tuned in to the news pretty well, and seeing that conflict tends to make the news more easily than peace, it's easy to see the number of stories of violence and hatred perpetrated in our culture. From riots in predominately democrat locations (like inner cities after a championship win or perceived injustice) to attacks against Trump supporters, abortion protestors, Christian companies, and the increase of intolerance of conservatives in social media provide a fairly good starting point for getting the pulse of the right vs. left debate on emotion and its affects on actions.
In addition, there are also studies that reflect this same attitude that I've witnessed.
Are Liberals and Conservatives Equally Motivated to Feel Empathy Toward Others?
Liberals are more emotion-driven than conservatives
quote:I have anecdotal evidence over a large sample size and a few studies that seem to support my anecdotal evidence.
Ok, so I guess I'll ask my other question again. Do you have anything to support that, or just "it's what I seen on the television news?"
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:11 pm to FooManChoo
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My sample size is fairly large, as my friends, family, and close acquaintances are in the hundreds for the past few years, spanning all kinds of political ideologies from conservative republicans to libertarians to "moderate" democrats and even far leftists.
A sample size consisting of friends and family is never "fairly large." No one has ever published credible research, had it peer-reviewed and published, and been taken seriously based on "my friends and family support this conclusion."
Tuning in to the news "pretty well" won't do it either.
As for those studies you linked...find something more credible please. One readily admits from the start that their research is essentially bullshite. The other wasn't even conducted in our political environment and is completely useless.
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I have anecdotal evidence over a large sample size and a few studies that seem to support my anecdotal evidence.
You have anecdotal evidence over what we call a statistically insignificant sample size, and exactly two studies that took me less than a minute to discredit.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Maybe we should remove the national anthem from sports? Moments of silence/prayer? etc.
Regular sports I agree, but it's literally team USA.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Maybe we should remove the national anthem from sports?
Maybe you should go frick yourself. The national Anthem is played for all Americans regardless of Creed color or code.
You know, equality, tolerance, and inclusivity. You are against that in favor of segmented divisive songs and symbols that aren't for everybody? frick you.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 7:43 pm
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