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Christian Nationalism versus Christian Identity: A fantastic discussion with Bob Scott
Posted on 8/27/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/27/26 at 9:58 am
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A very interesting discussion of the actual meaning of Christian nationalism, why the term creates confusion, and how it differs from Christian identity. They examine the religious views attributed to America’s founding generation, the Constitution’s approach to religious freedom, Thomas Paine’s criticism of the Bible, and the tension between Christian influence and an established national church.
They also trace how Christian identity, British Israelism, nationalism, restorationist theology, political power, institutional wealth, and the New Apostolic Reformation became intertwined. The conversation considers whether Christian ethics can influence public life without allowing religious institutions or political leaders to control one another.
This may offend some of the staunch religionists, but will prove I think to be very interesting to believers and non believers alike, if by no other means than simply historical and foundational in this country.
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Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:09 am to Mike da Tigah
Thanks for posting. I will listen when I get a chance.
I am never offended by sincere discussions of what God, through the Bible, commands. I'm a member of the same congregation as Doug Wilson.
We enjoy a good debate (message boards aren't great for them, though). Speaking of which....
I am never offended by sincere discussions of what God, through the Bible, commands. I'm a member of the same congregation as Doug Wilson.
We enjoy a good debate (message boards aren't great for them, though). Speaking of which....
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:13 am to Mike da Tigah
Perhaps you could outline the contending sides of the conversation for us?
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:16 am to Mike da Tigah
I've always said Christian Nationalism is a fake boogeyman. Are there REAL Christian Nationalists, sure.
Democrats use the phrase to basically paint anyone that supports their political stances with a Christian worldview so that they can put everyone in the same bucket and shout theocracy and point to The Handsmaid Tale, etc.
It's more controlling thoughts via language that the Left always plays.
Democrats use the phrase to basically paint anyone that supports their political stances with a Christian worldview so that they can put everyone in the same bucket and shout theocracy and point to The Handsmaid Tale, etc.
It's more controlling thoughts via language that the Left always plays.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 10:17 am
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:30 am to Mike da Tigah
1) A Christian is someone who professes Jesus as their Lord & Savior.
2) A "Nationalist" is simply someone who puts the best interests of their own country first.
The two don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. I would be a Nationalist whether or not I was a Christian, and vice-versa.
People like anti-Christian bigot and atheist Rob Reiner tried to combine the two in an attempt to manipulate the sheep into believing that "Christian Nationalists" were some special breed of extremists like radical Muslims, but as usual with scum like Reiner his true motivation was simply due to the fact that he wanted to brand Trump supporters as being fanatics, along with the fact that he was, as previously stated, an anti-Christian atheist POS.
It's sad when people fail to see the underlying agenda of those who created a false term and blindly accept the character assassination.
2) A "Nationalist" is simply someone who puts the best interests of their own country first.
The two don't necessarily have anything to do with each other. I would be a Nationalist whether or not I was a Christian, and vice-versa.
People like anti-Christian bigot and atheist Rob Reiner tried to combine the two in an attempt to manipulate the sheep into believing that "Christian Nationalists" were some special breed of extremists like radical Muslims, but as usual with scum like Reiner his true motivation was simply due to the fact that he wanted to brand Trump supporters as being fanatics, along with the fact that he was, as previously stated, an anti-Christian atheist POS.
It's sad when people fail to see the underlying agenda of those who created a false term and blindly accept the character assassination.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:38 am to Champagne
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Perhaps you could outline the contending sides of the conversation for us?
Basically, as I see it, it’s Christian Identity being confused with, or mixed in with Christian Nationalism that drives a lot of confusion.
Christian identity apparently stems from a racial foundation from England in British Israelism that attempts to tie itself to some lost tribes of Israel heritage discussion rather than Christian people wanting to preserve their Christian country from being overrun, watered down, or taken over by another belief system, which is found in Christian nationalism. Because of this lumping together, Christian Nationalism is now condemned as being racially motivated to be about preserving the white race, which it actually isn’t. That’s Christian Identity.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:43 am to Freauxzen
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It's more controlling thoughts via language that the Left always plays.
The #1 reason we have Trump.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:45 am to Mike da Tigah
sounds like the exact kind of nonsense we are told in the Bible to avoid. accept the cross or reject the cross. that's all that really matters.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 11:51 am to Mike da Tigah
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Because of this lumping together, Christian Nationalism is now condemned as being racially motivated to be about preserving the white race, which it actually isn’t. That’s Christian Identity.
Christian Identity isn't about preserving the white race, either. Christianity has nothing to do with race. Growing up in the church, this was clear as we sent missionaries all over the world to non-white nations. Most of us realize that Jesus wasn't Caucasian.
Some of the strongest Christians are Korean and African. And they have Korean and African Jesuses. It doesn't matter.
This makes me think that the people pushing this narrative are trying to destroy Christianity by equating it with racism.
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Posted on 8/27/26 at 12:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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I'm a member of the same congregation as Doug Wilson.
Doug has some pretty extreme opinions and goals. Let’s hope he stays disappointed.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 12:37 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Christian Identity isn't about preserving the white race, either. Christianity has nothing to do with race. Growing up in the church, this was clear as we sent missionaries all over the world to non-white nations. Most of us realize that Jesus wasn't Caucasian.
Of course actual Christian Identity isn’t. It’s founded exclusively in and upon the finished work of Jesus Christ and in Grace alone, but the movement which has been called “Christian Identity” is apparently.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 12:53 pm to sorantable
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Doug has some pretty extreme opinions and goals. Let’s hope he stays disappointed.
I'm certainly not a spokesman for our congregation, and neither is Doug, formally. It's safe to say, however, that we believe that it's not a matter of WHETHER society will follow a worldview, but WHICH worldview gets followed.
For at least the last century, America has largely followed a secular worldview. Naturally, a Biblical worldview seems offensive and extreme to secularists. IF transformation comes, it will be God's will and on God's time.
If that transformation doesn't come in Doug's Earthly lifetime, he won't be too disappointed. He's an extremely contented man with a wonderful family and a wonderful life.
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 8/27/26 at 12:54 pm to Mike da Tigah
This is where I fall on the subject (not that anyone cares) and is a solid contribution to the debate, methinks:
Posted on 8/27/26 at 9:55 pm to Mike da Tigah
The Christian Identity Movement is a distinct political and cultural movement. It is a Racist Movement.
Christians who are American Nationalists can't be lumped in with the Christian Identity Movement. It's a propaganda trick to try to do that.
If one reads up just a bit on what is Christian Identity movement, one is left with the question of: Are these guys Christians?
Christians who are American Nationalists can't be lumped in with the Christian Identity Movement. It's a propaganda trick to try to do that.
If one reads up just a bit on what is Christian Identity movement, one is left with the question of: Are these guys Christians?
This post was edited on 8/27/26 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:23 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Most of us realize that Jesus wasn't Caucasian.
I don’t believe Jesus the man on which the gospels are based actually existed, or that it is very unlikely he existed.
But granting for a moment maybe he did exist, he would have been an Israelite, from the Canaanites, from Levantine farmers, from Caucasian/Iranian farmers. They Israelites shared ancestry with Iron Age Europeans, which also were descended from Caucasian farmers who took over and mixed with European hunter-gatherer populations. There was even admixture in southeast Europe and Anatolia between the European farmers and Levantine farmers. So Jesus would have been as much Caucasian as Iron Age Europeans, neither being “fully Caucasian”.
Posted on 8/27/26 at 10:24 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I just want the evangelicals out of DC and away from Trump.
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