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Chinas debt rose to 40 Trillion USD, 304% of (supposed) GDP

Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:33 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:33 pm
From the South China Morning Post.....

quote:

China's total debt burden rose strongly in the first quarter of 2019 as Beijing allowed more loans and local government bond issuance to help shore up the slowing economy, according to estimates by the Institute of International Finance.

The figure stood at nearly 304 per cent of its gross domestic product (GDP) in the first three months of the year, up from 297 per cent a year earlier, the US-based trade association said.

The Chinese government has sought to rein in corporate debt by restricting borrowing through informal channels, known as shadow banking. While the restrictions have prompted a reduction in corporate debt in non-financial sectors, net borrowing in other sectors has surged, bringing total debt to over US$40 trillion – some 15 per cent of overall global debt, according to data released by the Institute of International Finance.


Does not include shadow banking nor the fact their GDP is probably inflated by a couple of trillion.

Ponzi and Maddow are in awe, this cant go on much longer, they are in an economic territory no country of this size has been in before.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:35 pm to
Trump should announce more tariffs. I B Chinaman would go in to full melt.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:35 pm to
IB chinaman gonna b mad
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:36 pm to
Communism.
Winning.
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:36 pm to
quote:

I B Chinaman


Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:36 pm to
It's almost like a billionaire business man knew this would happen
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:37 pm to
People have been warning of a chinese economic collapse for 10+ years
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:37 pm to
Could China collapse ala the USSR?
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Bourre
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:39 pm to
They have? Link?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 3:39 pm to
IB90proof is gonna meltdown
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:22 am to
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They have? Link?


LINK

LINK

Not easy to find links that old that arent discussing the recession
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 9:22 am
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:28 am to
Thieving bastard
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:29 am to
They have emulated our consumption debt based economy fairly well.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:13 am to
And they are bleeding dollars right now. The NPLs in their shadow banking portfolio are at astronomical rates.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:20 am to
IB Chinaman is going to be upset about this.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:21 am to
MakeChinaSuckAgain
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:22 am to
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some 15 per cent of overall global debt, according to data released by the Institute of International Finance.


Damn.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13265 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:34 am to
quote:

And they are bleeding dollars right now. The NPLs in their shadow banking portfolio are at astronomical rates.


And shadow banking is 9 trillion more debt. Plus there is at least another 5 trillion loaned to 3rd world countries with little revenue to payback, and trillions loaned to state companies operating construction projects in 3rd world countries that are "pass through" and not picked up.

Does anyone know exactly what they owe? And you wonder why they want the trade deal to end, a Ponzi scheme only works if you can churn and burn, once the cash flow slows down it gets ugly quick.
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4878 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 10:45 am to
Wonder when they start demanding US pay up on the debt we borrowed from them. If we can bankrupt them and split them up might be a good way to knock a few trillion off the deficit.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/18/19 at 11:16 am to
Why would I be upset about this???

I would like to know if that is aggregate debt or simply the debt of the government.

Either way this is EVIDENCE that we do not need punishing tariffs on Americans. No economy can sustain massive subsidies without negative economic ramifications.

The goal of many of you posters here is to hurt China. You don't mind hurting Americans so long as China is hurt worse. It is twisted logic. If that logic is expanded you should be very happy China is working itself into a debt mess selling goods to cheap. Why discourage them by imposing tariffs on Americans?
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