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China is running the same strategy now with fertilizer that they have used to dominate

Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:15 pm
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11022 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:15 pm
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1) Buy up raw materials from other countries
2) Ban exports of finished product
3) Use state subsidized companies to outbid private buyers.
4) Put other companies out of business
5) China then dominates the market

The issue is sulfur. China is weaponizing their domination of the sulfuric acid market.

Oil companies strip sulfur out of crude oil. Chemical plants turn it into sulfuric acid, then that acid is used to dissolve phosphate rock into the fertilizer that grows corn, soybeans and wheat. Without sulfur, we can't produce the crop yields we need.

The USA should be fully independent. Texas refineries make the sulfur. Phosphate mines in Florida and Idaho are available.

However instead the USA exports about 2 million metric tons of sulfur every year and China is the #1 buyer. At the same time China bans the exports of it's own fertilizer and sulfuric acid, hoarding the finished product for itself.

When state backed Chinese firms bid higher, US refineries have every incentive to export the sulfur instead of supplying it to American fertilizer companies. This strategy by China is putting our farmers at the mercy of China to grow their crops.

China is buying the raw materials at a loss in order to dominate the market and weaking USA fertilizer companies.

Food security is national security. We cannot feed our country if a rival controls our food supply.

Washington needs to block Chinese state-owned companies from buying American sulfur while China blocks American access to their fertilizer market. Level the playing field so that American companies are not competing against the Chinese government.
Posted by atlgamecockman
Nola
Member since Dec 2012
4543 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:16 pm to
It's almost like they have 100 year plan
Posted by BigAL Golesh
Toomer's Corner
Member since Apr 2026
679 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:19 pm to
Sure, blame CHINA and not the actual food corporations raking in record profits from price gouging the frick out of Americans while using poisonous ingredients
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
116580 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:29 pm to
It's because the Left has piled so many regulations and bans here that it is almost impossible to do here, even though we have everything necessary
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28277 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:31 pm to
I don’t think you can corner the market on sulfur. The shite is everywhere. We pay people to take it.
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4987 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:54 pm to
I am in the chemical industry and we have never seen sulfuric acid this high or this many price increases on it. It’s typically our most stable product.
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
4139 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 6:57 pm to
China is sulphuric assidhoe.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
23229 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:14 pm to
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The issue is sulfur. China is weaponizing their domination of the sulfuric acid market.

Oil companies strip sulfur out of crude oil. Chemical plants turn it into sulfuric acid, then that acid is used to dissolve phosphate rock into the fertilizer that grows corn, soybeans and wheat. Without sulfur, we can't produce the crop yields we need.

The USA should be fully independent. Texas refineries make the sulfur. Phosphate mines in Florida and Idaho are available.


So much fail in this article.

Majority of sulfur is mined like oil wells in the Gulf. Refinery reclaimed sulfur is a pitance compared to mined sulfur. Freeport McMoran used to have a monopoly on this but they were bought out by... IMC Global which is a huge international fertilizer company. Sulfuric Acid is a commodity chemical bought and sold in the US Chemical industry like flour, sugar, and crisco.

As for the Phosphate mines in Florida and NC they are low grade ore that costs a lot to produce. You have to stack 5 tons of CaSO4 dihydrate (phosgypsum) for every ton of Phos acid you make (low grade remember). Phosgyp has trace Uranium and Radium in it which renders it useless for other industrial purposes. So you have forever landfills like the ones on LA30 in Ascension Parish and the ones by the Sunshine Bridge. They have to be managed 24hrs/365days forever.

Now the high grade Phosphate ores are in Africa in Togo, Senegal, and Morocco. So for the environmental reasons above most of the phoshate ore processing has moved overseas. IMC in Donaldsonville is still kicking but all others in LA have closed yrs ago.

I worked 10 yrs in this industry before I got out because even then I could see that I would never retire from it.

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
57079 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:16 pm to
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Sure, blame CHINA and not the actual food corporations raking in record profits from price gouging the frick out of Americans while using poisonous ingredients

Oh blah, blah, blah. It’s the job of a corporation to make money, within the law, for its stockholders. It’s the job of the government to make laws that keep corporations from doing things that hurt society. If the OP is correct, that is the fault of the US government, not China and not the corporations.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
23229 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:19 pm to
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I am in the chemical industry and we have never seen sulfuric acid this high or this many price increases on it. It’s typically our most stable product.


I recently retired from the Chem plant industry and we had the same issue with hydrochloric acid. Could not get enough of what has been a comodity for yrs. Issue was/is demand has surpassed supply.
Posted by GregMaddux
LSU Fan
Member since Jun 2011
18744 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:30 pm to
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hydrochloric acid. Could not get enough


This is insanely easy and cheap to make. Your company decided to lose to china instead of investing in hcl production. China had already built plants that make whatever you were making that include the ability to make hcl for nothing.
Posted by BigAL Golesh
Toomer's Corner
Member since Apr 2026
679 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:55 pm to
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Oh blah, blah, blah
typical response from the intellectually incapable

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It’s the job of the government to make laws that keep corporations from doing things that hurt society.
And when the corps pay off the politicians...then what dumbass? Just bury you head in the sand and say, well, theyre just doing it for the stonk price, its all good. Poison me harder daddy!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175325 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 9:01 pm to
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It’s the job of the government to make laws that keep corporations from doing things that hurt society.

Doesn't work out too well when you have retards that want to gut regulations left and right.
Posted by BigAL Golesh
Toomer's Corner
Member since Apr 2026
679 posts
Posted on 7/23/26 at 9:06 pm to
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Doesn't work out too well when you have retards that want to gut regulations left and right.
which regulations did you disagree with them cutting?

Can you name any specific regs that you would have kept? Eh, retard?
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