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Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:02 pm to Mouth
That’s a great vid. I don’t see how you can watch it and doubt the armor tho.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:07 pm to John Barron
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He said Titanium
It's a hard plate, just like steel, only lighter. My statement still stands.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
t-shirt armor
I even see nipples on this guy wearing his armored tshirt ....wouldnt have stopped a rifle round but still could have deflected...would explain why the "whole t-shirt" moved in the video. I am sure Kirk was thinking a nut with a handgun not a liberal nut frick with a hunting rifle and thought this might be enough.
What's your next objection to divert from what was clearly a plate in the video?
quote:
I'll humor you for a second. The plate in that video, how is it worn? I don't see any fastening agents for it, so does it just rest freely? Is your assertion that he just had a completely unsecured plate under his shirt? That is a plate that would be inside of some type of vest.
I even see nipples on this guy wearing his armored tshirt ....wouldnt have stopped a rifle round but still could have deflected...would explain why the "whole t-shirt" moved in the video. I am sure Kirk was thinking a nut with a handgun not a liberal nut frick with a hunting rifle and thought this might be enough.
What's your next objection to divert from what was clearly a plate in the video?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:15 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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how small this plate is and watch it move under his shirt
I think you're mistaken.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:17 pm to Mouth
I get what this guy is saying and it seems to make sense. I wondered about the exit wound....
But why could we see Charlie's nipples in photos before the shot???
But why could we see Charlie's nipples in photos before the shot???
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:19 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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wouldnt have stopped a rifle round but still could have deflected
No, it wouldn't have. A 30-06 would have penetrated straight through that like it wasn't even there. And now you're straying from the original video posted in the OP because you realize the actual images show he was not wearing a plate.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:20 pm to MemphisGuy
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Super glue would have worked.
I cringed just thinking about taking it off.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:26 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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I even see nipples on this guy wearing his armored tshirt
So, now we are changing the armor? I thought he was wearing a plate?
quote:
wouldnt have stopped a rifle round but still could have deflected.
No, not with the inserts that product has. Even in that video though you can see the outline of the center pad in the shirt. So, why can't you see that on Kirk's, even when there is a closeup shot with his shirt pulled tight to the body?
quote:
What's your next objection to divert from what was clearly a plate in the video?
I don't think you understand what the word clearly means. You also didn't answer my other question. I'll ask it again: quote:
What does it matter if it deflected or didn't?
What does it matter if he was or wasn't wearing this now shirt armor?
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
You are correct he is dead either way.
That said, you need to be a liberal if you are not one, because you want me to ignore what my eyes show me in that slow motion video..
If you can't see that Charlie had on some type of protection on his chest that moved violently when it was hit and THWN a hole opened up in his neck, I dont know what else to do to help you.
That said, you need to be a liberal if you are not one, because you want me to ignore what my eyes show me in that slow motion video..
If you can't see that Charlie had on some type of protection on his chest that moved violently when it was hit and THWN a hole opened up in his neck, I dont know what else to do to help you.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:38 pm to Tigahs24Seven
You just don't understand ballistics enough to understand why his shirt moved, and that's okay. But you're asking everyone else to ignore the images clearly showing he is not wearing body armor.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:38 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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you need to be a liberal if you are not one, because you want me to ignore what my eyes show me in that slow motion video.
What a weird comment. Slow motion videos are awful to begin with when you are trying to use a video that was not filmed in slow motion, so using that as your definitive proof says more about you than anything else. Why do you believe your eyes more on a video that has been slowed down, which distorts the video and its quality, more than you do a much better quality picture?
quote:
I dont know what else to do to help you.
You could answer why it matters if he is or is not wearing body armor. Why do you feel it necessary or relevant that he was? I don't understand why all of you that are tyring to convince everyone of something, can't even explain why you are trying to convince people of something.
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:48 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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armored tshirt
The guy makes a compelling video of what "could" have happened if he was wearing a hard armor plate. I agree that it could happen "if" he was wearing a plate. However, some of us that have worn armor before don't think his man boobs and nipples would show through if he was wearing hard armor. And hard armor is the only type of armor that would ricochet. That soft armor t-shirt wouldn't be hard enough to cause a deflection.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:51 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
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That soft armor t-shirt wouldn't be hard enough to cause a deflection.
Nor would you be able to see his nipples and not be able to see the plate and/or the linings for it
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I need to link a good video showing level 3a vs 3, 3+ and 4.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:57 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
There was a pic yesterday of him sitting down and leaning forward. This caused his shirt to be really tight on his back. There were no lines, and you could see the curvature of his back.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:59 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Well, if it deflected, what did it deflect off of? If it didn't deflect, what made his shirt behave the way it did?
He died from being shot. What does it matter if it deflected or didn't?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:16 pm to AlxTgr
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Well, if it deflected, what did it deflect off of?
Does it matter? Let’s say it did deflect off of so kind of armor, as I’ve asked multiple times now, so what? What is the purpose of trying to show that he was or wasn’t wearing armor?
quote:
If it didn't deflect, what made his shirt behave the way it did?
There have been multiple explanations of what the reasoning could be. I’ve not watched enough people get shot in a similar manner to say definitively one way or another that a shirt wouldn’t behave similarly
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:19 pm to GumboPot
quote:exactly.
The entrance wound geometry with no exit wound give a lot of credence to this explanation.
Also the angle of incident can explain the shirt.
As it deflects it "drags" the shirt upward which is, not coincidentally, where the entry wound appears.
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 5:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Do I need to have a tinfoil hat on to understand the debate of plate vs no plate? The video posted seems reasonable. Is he a deep state vampire lizard baby eater? Either way we can all agree the man is dead and they sure look like they have the murderer in custody plate or not.
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