re: CDC Quietly Changes It’s Official Definition of “Vaccine” and “Vaccination.”

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If efficacy is 90%, that means it has been determined that 9 out of 10 people will be immune to the disease for a period of time.

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Holy shite.

ETA: you’re not going to recover from this one.

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Yeah, I shouldn't have phrased it in a way that could be interpreted as absolutes. I forgot that I was talking to children.


Vaccine efficacy is measured as the percent reduction in illness frequency among a vaccinated population vs unvaccinated. In simpler terms, if 10% of the placebo group get sick and 1% of the vaccinated group get sick, that is 90% efficacy. We can deduce that 9 out of 10 people who are vaccinated are immune/protected/whatever-term-doesn't-make-you-lose-your-shite to/from the illness. But it is just an observed probability. That's all we can know about "immunity".

Lol. “I shouldn’t have phrased it in a way that made me look stupid and now I have to copy paste from Wikipedia and pretend I was dumbing it down.” Retard.

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So it’s just probability that no one gets measles, smallpox and polio anymore.

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Well first, people do still get polio and measles. Only smallpox has been eradicated globally. In some parts of the world measles and polio are still common, and even in America we see cluster cases of measles pop up here and there.

But on a basic statistical level yes, it's a matter of probability. The percentage of the population with a robust enough degree of immunity to prevent them from developing or transmitting the diseases

There are people living today, people who have been vaccinated, who lack robust enough immunity to smallpox to prevent disease entirely. A smaller number of such people lack any meaningful immunity and could still get very sick and die. If you took smallpox out of the lab and exposed them they would get sick. But we reached a point globally where there were so few people like this, relatively speaking, that the virus had nowhere to go and eventually the chain of transmission ceased entirely with no more natural reservoirs of infection.

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And just dumb luck 75.% of people still get colds.

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We dont vaccinate against most of the viruses that cause "the common cold", because there are a shite ton of them and the demand based on disease severity isnt there. If we developed a vaccine for a specific rhinovirus strain and vaccinated 90%+ of the global population annually for several years it would go away. We just dont do that.

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People who take measles, small pox and polio vaccines don’t get mild symptoms associated with these infections.

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Yes they do, or rather they did when the reservoirs of infection were still large. Plenty of vaccinated children still got mild cases of measles once upon a time in the United States. The reason people in this part of the world almost never get measles anymore is, again, because of statistical probabilities.

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Yes. Nobody gets those diseases because nearly everyone is vaccinated (with boosters), thus achieving herd. If all we did was give ~65% of the population one (maybe two) of these shots, then you would be hearing plenty about those diseases running rampant - including "breakthrough" cases of those who were vaccinated.

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Now do the flu “vaccine”… now do delta variant.

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To 99% of people immunity does not mean, PROTECTION.

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99% of people are morons with respect to clinical immunology, which is why this thread exists at all

Help me understand this because , apparently, there are two highly educated posters in this thread:

1. Does whatever they inject you with prevent you from getting covid?

2, Does whatever they inject you with prevent you from passing covid on to another person who has been injected?

3. Is there a statistical difference in death rate from being injected vs not being injected?

4. Is there ever going to be a time where these injections will have the efficacy of measles or polio vaccines?

Thanks

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They don't?

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It takes about 40 flu shots to prevent one ILI and around 70 flu shots to prevent one case of the flu.

In Pfizer’s study, it took almost 120 Covid vaccines to prevent one case of Covid. In Israel with the variants, that number needed to vaccinate jumped to almost 220.

Because the infection rates in their study are higher, JNJ’s vaccine looks less effective if you’re just advertising relative efficacy. And yet, the NNV is lower for JNJ (pre-Delta) than it was for the almighty 95% effective Pfizer vaccine.

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Does whatever they inject you with prevent you from getting covid?

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It does for some people, yes. That number of people was much higher with previous variants than it is with delta however.

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Does whatever they inject you with prevent you from passing covid on to another person who has been injected?

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If you are vaccinated and you get infected you have lower viral loads, a shorter time frame where you are shedding the virus and have less symptoms (less sneezing/coughing specifically). Yes, you are less likely to spread covid and for a shorter period of time if you've been vaccinated and still get infected.

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Is there a statistical difference in death rate from being injected vs not being injected?

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Yes, dramatically so

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Is there ever going to be a time where these injections will have the efficacy of measles or polio vaccines?

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It depends on your measure of efficacy and whether you're talking on an individual or societal level.

If we measure efficacy by ability to prevent severe disease and death in any one person, they already are as effective. If we're talking population level efficacy, especially with respect to preventing disease entirely, the answer is no because not enough people will ever get vaccinated consistently enough.

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My point has been the commonly accepted definition of vaccine is immunity. The cdc knows that Covid doesn’t and will not give immunity so instead of reclassifying this jab they are changing THEIR definition of vaccine so that it includes Covid whereas before it did not.

Of course 99% of people won’t know they did this but when they look it will appear as if it’s always been this way and people will bestow the same confidence on the unproven Covid jab as they do with polio, mor ect.

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And our point is that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what immunity means.

Again, your entire premise is rooted in the foundational claim that vaccines for other diseases do not result in some people still getting disease but having milder cases because they were vaccinated. This claim is false and thus the entire argument can be thrown out without diving any deeper (avene though we have gone MUCH deeper for you).

People who have been vaccinated against polio, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, etc. can and often did develop mild forms of those diseases that would otherwise have been more severe had they not been vaccinated. This was EXTENSIVELY studied and documented in the second half of the 20th century. What you consider "immunity" is actual local and/or global eradication due to the total number of people vaccinated over a long enough period of time. And how was this able to be done? Because those generations would have considered you stark raving mad for refusing those vaccines.

There's a reason you've never met a 90 year old talking about the big pharma vaccine conspiracy. Vaccine resistance/hesitancy is a luxury of modern western societies who have that luxury, ironically enough, because of vaccines

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I don't know if you can be an asymptomatic carrier of smallpox.

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You cannot be, but many vaccinated people did develop mild disease once upon a time. Vaccination in any one individual dropped the mortality of infection by about two orders of magnitude however and you virtually never saw the hemorrhagic and malignant forms in vaccinated people.