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re: CDC Quietly Changes It’s Official Definition of “Vaccine” and “Vaccination.”

Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:40 am to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:40 am to
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Still trying to derail I see.
Uh, this directly pertains to the topic at hand. What does "immune" mean in the term "immune system"?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:43 am to
We accept your tapout.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41784 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:44 am to
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Korkstand


Shouldn’t you and your ANTIFA friends be beating up an elderly white woman or robbing a Lowe’s or CVS by now? Good God man, it’s damn near 9 AM on the left coast. I mean, the cops out there shouldn’t have an issue. They seem to support the terrorist network called ANTIFA, plus...like good little Bundes workers, y’all all probably have your vaccine passports.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:48 am to
You're trying to be funny, but your message is mostly true....
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
41784 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 10:54 am to
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You're trying to be funny, but your message is mostly true....


Who said I was trying to be funny? Anyone that has been on here for any extended period of time knows of Korkstand’s affinity for all things ANTIFA. It isn’t exactly a secret.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:05 am to
That makes him no better than a skinhead in my book.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:09 am to
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Sigh. You absolute fricking idiot. Quit talking about things you don’t understand.

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Relative risk reduction is directly figured from absolute risk reduction. You fricking absolute idiot.
Again, you seem to be conflating absolute risk reduction with absolute risk or incidence rate for purposes of calculating a reasonably accurate NNV.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:09 am to
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We accept your tapout.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:09 am to
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Anyone that has been on here for any extended period of time knows of Korkstand’s affinity for all things ANTIFA. It isn’t exactly a secret.

My god you're such a liar. I consider "antifa" to be a non-issue and always have. I think it's hilarious that you guys make it out as such a boogeyman.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34840 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:11 am to
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My god you're such a liar. I consider "antifa" to be a non-issue and always have. I think it's hilarious that you guys make it out as such a boogeyman.


Do you denounce ANTIFA???!!!????
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124855 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:11 am to
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Again, you seem to be conflating absolute risk reduction with absolute risk or incidence rate for purposes of calculating a reasonably accurate NNV.


This is the word salad of a self-confused person. You lost. The whole thread. You revealed you don’t know anything about this discussion. You posted several absolute gems revealing that in stark contrast. You’re a fricking idiot. Own it.
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
23886 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:26 am to
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I'll say it again, a webpage titled "Immunization: The Basics" plays no role in our legal system.


And, pray tell, what in the ever living f*ck do you think this "guidance" is for?


Seriously, you just can't be THIS F*CKING STUPID so quit trying.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
41859 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:30 am to
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Four legs good, two legs **** better!
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:43 am to
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This is the word salad of a self-confused person. You lost. The whole thread. You revealed you don’t know anything about this discussion. You posted several absolute gems revealing that in stark contrast. You’re a fricking idiot. Own it.
Let me try to break it down more simply, then.

You are trying to pass off an NNV figure calculated from a short term study as if it is meaningful. You said yourself that the study should be longer in order to get the control incidence higher. If that were done, the ARR would grow larger, and as a consequence NNV smaller, while RRR would hold reasonably steady (assuming the sample size was computed correctly).
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
124855 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:50 am to
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You are trying to pass off an NNV figure calculated from a short term study as if it is meaningful


The NNV is directly correlated to the vaccine efficacy. If it’s not meaningful, the study efficacy isn’t either.

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that were done, the ARR would grow larger, and as a consequence NNV smaller, while RRR would hold reasonably steady


That’s what the Pfizer marketing department would say. Instead of continuing the study, they blew it up.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 11:56 am to
Wow...I didn't know you actually sided with those Antifa-Nazis.....do you know how evil that makes you?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:16 pm to
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The NNV is directly correlated to the vaccine efficacy.
But the part that you're ignoring is that NNV is also correlated with the length of the study.

A simple example:

10k vaccinated and 10k control

After 1 month, 100 control are infected (1% incidence) and 10 vaccinated are infected.

ARR is .01-.001 = .009 = 0.9%
RRR is .009/.01 = 0.9 = 90%
NNV is 10,000/90 = 111

Good so far?

Now let's extend to 2 months. Assuming efficacy hasn't waned much, we would expect 200 and 20 infections, which gives:

ARR is .02-.002 = .018 = 1.8% (doubled)
RRR is .018/.02 = 0.9 = 90% (stayed the same)
NNV is 10,000/180 = 56 (cut in half)

Even if after 2 months the vaccine efficacy dropped significantly and 50 new vaccinated were infected vs 10 the first month, ARR still rises from 0.9% to 1.4% and NNV still falls from 111 to 71.


Can you point out any obvious errors in this greatly simplified example? Is it not clear that NNV from a short term study is kind of meaningless?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:17 pm to
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Wow...I didn't know you actually sided with those Antifa-Nazis
I didn't know that, either. That's the power of repeated lies.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:23 pm to
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That's the power of repeated lies.


Hey, have you ever heard of the word "irony"?

Asking for friends.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 12:26 pm to
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Sorry, then that makes you a simpleton and or a liar.

If you can look at the world around you and pass off what is going on as mere "incompetence", then you are really, really, really not as smart or well-informed as you incessantly bleat on about.

Of course, using the word "suffice" is sort of a tell.

If you are OK with an answer that is simply "sufficient" regarding a world-changing event, then that tells us you are either complicit or complacent.

Either way, for us dumb ole hill folk who rely on common-sense, none of this passes the smell test ESPECIALLY when so many "experts" along with those in charge have been acting like Bond villains intent on world domination.


You have a lot more faith in the competence and coordination skills of our leaders than I do.

I simply can’t believe those people are good enough at anything to pull off such a grand centralized conspiracy, let alone keep it under wraps to any meaningful degree.
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