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re: CBS Morning News: “Trump Is Characterizing This As A ‘Raid’ But Experts Disagree”

Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:17 am to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39498 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:17 am to
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those who understood the point


who are those people? You aren't getting any upvotes in this shite show thread.
Posted by Liberator
Ephesians 6:10-16
Member since Jul 2020
8523 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:21 am to
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I mean, it’s all just semantics.



Yup.

Here's another case of "Robust Action":



I think we ought to raise the semantics stakes:

"The Commando Raid on President Trump's house"
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 10:23 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:30 am to
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It's fascinating to see such a self anointed independent free libertarian thinking individual immediately pivot to every left talking point the minute they are disseminated.
Just this morning, I posted in support of Trump utilizing the protections of the 5th Amendment.
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There's literally ZERO chance he had any issue, or even slight quibble, with the term "raid" in this instance until the media overlords declared there was one. ZERO.
I did not raise a fuss about it, just as I said in my first post in this thread that I don't care if YOU use that terminology. Obviously, it is a term that can be used in a number of different ways.

But THIS thread is specifically ABOUT the semantics. ("Trump Is Characterizing This As A ‘Raid’ But Experts Disagree”). It seemed an appropriate place to DISCUSS the semantic issue.

If the FBI would have executed a similar warrant on HRC four years ago, in exactly the same manner, the Left would have been screaming about a "raid," and the bulk of posters here would have insisted that it was simply the execution of a valid warrant.

An important difference between me and the bulk of the posters on this forum is that I would have taken EXACTLY the same position in both instances.

For some reason, consistency REALLY seems to annoy some of you.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101471 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:31 am to
Nobody's buying it. Nobody.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:35 am to
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Nobody's buying it. Nobody.
Of course not. 95% of our posters are blind partisans, with you prominent among them.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101471 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:37 am to
Keep trying to convince yourself you're something special. The next actual original thought you have will be the first.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:41 am to
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our posters are blind partisans,


Then go waste 8 hours a day on another board with your fellow sophisticates, I'll post links to places you might feel more comfortable....

No one is keeping you here, as a matter of fact, with the exception of a few of your fellow Autists, NO ONE wants you here....
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111546 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:43 am to
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It isn’t even “playing semantics” when every person used the same term and one side switched because of optics.


If they had found anything, it would still be a raid.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260816 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:45 am to
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Experts
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 10:46 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72129 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:50 am to
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Of course not. 95% of our posters are blind partisans, with you prominent among them.
You are the only one who shifted their stance.

You said nothing about “raid” being the incorrect term UNTIL the progressive apparatus told you to.

You didn’t even consider this viewpoint a possibility up until this morning.

If you didn’t require an outside source to implant this stance in your mind, you would have already held this position, but every post from the start of this debacle up until this morning, where you used “raid” without a hint of reservation, proves that you did not.

To blindly jump and support a position that is being pushed SOLELY for the sake of partisanship makes you the most partisan individual here.



I hold the exact same position that the rest of the USA held up until the morning of August 10th.

You shifted because a partisan political apparatus told you to.

This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 10:53 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57291 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:00 am to
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But Experts Disagree
Thisnia another Leftist phrase you should automatically translate in your head every time you hear it.

Experts => leftist propagandists.

So…. “Experts diagree”. Should become: “Leftist propagandists disagree”.

Do that and that “article” makes a lot more sense.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57291 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:02 am to
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To blindly jump and support a position that is being pushed SOLELY for the sake of partisanship makes you the most partisan individual here.
He thinks he “above it all”. In reality, he’s just very easy to gaslight.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:10 am to
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For some reason, consistency REALLY seems to annoy some of you.


Hahahahaha.....you.....consistent....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA.....
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72129 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:12 am to
If he was consistent, there would be evidence of him holding this stance prior to the point where the progressive apparatus told him he had to hold this stance.

There is no evidence of that.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:17 am to
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he’s just very easy to gaslight.


You can literally make Hank dance like a monkey if you understand the mind of a Narcissist.

He has no impulse control and has admitted such on this very board.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21797 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:18 am to
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If the FBI would have executed a similar warrant on HRC four years ago, in exactly the same manner, the Left would have been screaming about a "raid," and the bulk of posters here would have insisted that it was simply the execution of a valid warrant.

An important difference between me and the bulk of the posters on this forum is that I would have taken EXACTLY the same position in both instances.




That's the beauty of hypotheticals. No actual hypocrisy is needed for them; you just get to claim whatever busllshit is in your head and act as if you've put forth something substantive.

You are consistent in these sorts of claims, so I'll give you that.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:22 am to
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he was consistent, there would be evidence of him holding this stance prior to the point where the progressive apparatus told him he had to hold this stance
Are you just LOOKING for things to bitch about?

Someone says "pink." I give it very little thought. Someone else says "it is really closer to mauve." I think "It probably IS closer to mauve, and I would probably say 'mauve,' but it doesn't really bother me to see someone else say 'pink.'"

In your mind, this is a huge "gotcha." Strange.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9194 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:23 am to
How would you define 30 fbi agents in gear, weapons hot showing up and telling inhabitants to "get the frick out and turn off the cameras " oh wise one?

The world would have been a better place if your dad would've pulled out.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 11:27 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57291 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:27 am to
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You can literally make Hank dance like a monkey
I suspect the only reason he considers himself “conservative” is because he was gaslit by the Bill Kristol, Rick Wilson’s of the GOP for decades.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72129 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:28 am to
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Are you just LOOKING for things to bitch about?


No, I’m just pointing out that your current view appeared the moment the progressives told you to hold it.

You didn’t have an issue or post anything in relation to this topic yesterday or at the start of this.

You did come out to validate a completely non-semantic shift in terminology for partisan reasons.

I am not a lawyer and I can drive a bus through the holes in your argument.
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Someone says "pink." I give it very little thought. Someone else says "it is really closer to mauve." I think "It probably IS closer to mauve, and I would probably say 'mauve,' but it doesn't really bother me to see someone else say 'pink.'"
See, here you go again mischaracterizing the situation to validate partisan views.

“Someone” didn’t call it pink. EVERYONE called it pink.

Then, after 48 hours, when a group of partisan individuals realize that “pink” is giving their opposition some serious momentum, they decide that it actually isn’t “pink”, and here are the experts to prove it.



Your argument would hold water if that was the stance from the start and it didn’t shift because of “optics”.

Even the “expert” who stated that they shouldn’t use the term “raid” (right before they changed the banner on CNN/MSNBC) stated that FBI agents don’t like the term because it sounds inflammatory.

You are simply too narcissistic to admit that you are wrong.

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In your mind, this is a huge "gotcha." Strange.
In your mind, you think your argument holds water.

It doesn’t.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 11:36 am
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