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Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:43 pm to 4cubbies
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It's so insane. The blind trust of the government is horrifying.
How many Covid boosters have you had?
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:45 pm to JimEverett
Searching his phone... BS. You should need a warrant for that.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:47 pm to 4cubbies
If this happened for absolutely no reason sure its wrong and actually insane behavior if done for say... just for fun?.
But I would lean that they had been given a heads up on this guy. Maybe bad intel but what they had to go on.
But I would lean that they had been given a heads up on this guy. Maybe bad intel but what they had to go on.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:49 pm to 4cubbies
That's been the case forever. Know how you have to submit to a search every time you fly? That's because the Supreme Court held you don't have fourth amendment rights at the airport. Because... Exigencies.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Wilmer Chavarria,
I mean, you can't be too careful.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 3:52 pm to 4cubbies
US vs Ramsey. 1977
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:31 pm to Nosevens
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Coming back from overseas you are processed, until that is done you have the ability to be questioned, all baggage checked and little different that any other person
The difference is that when you are forced to provide authorities with devices and passwords, they then potentially have access to information that is not actually on those devises. Do they have legal right to then use your device to access a server you have in your business office sitting in US? If the feds have no probable cause to search your phone records, can they just bypass the warrant process and demand you give them your phone and passwords when you are coming back from a trip to Mexico?
Seems like most people's personal and private records could easily be accessed at the border just by some government official demanding your device and passwords like in the instance OP cited. Now that almost all of our private data can be accessed on our devices, what is to stop the government from accessing all of it just because we left the country with our phone and returned?
Posted on 12/16/25 at 4:51 pm to Ingeniero
quote:I believe Canada has the same policy, based on prior experience.
Being held until you give them access to your personal devices is bullshite.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 5:01 pm to Nosevens
quote:Simplification to the point of stupidity.
Until processed the are not legally in America
A US citizen still has 4th Amendment rights before clearing customs, but the threshold for routine searches is much lower.
The Circuits seem to be split as to when CBP can insist that you provide access to electronic devices.
You are definitively NOT in "international territory" and clearly ARE in US territory, though such "transit zones" are subject to fewer limitations under the Bill of Rights than are "true" domestic territory.
This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 12/16/25 at 5:30 pm to RelentlessAnalysis
Like I said to other poster technically you’re in America as is an embassy but regulations and rights prior to clearance is different
At an airport, "international territory" refers to the sterile areas (airside) where you're in transit and haven't cleared the destination country's immigration yet, but you're still technically within that country's sovereignty; the processing involves immigration/passport control (entering the country), then customs (declaring goods) after baggage claim, often using biometrics and Trusted Traveler Programs like Global Entry for faster clearance, with different lanes (Green/Red) for declaring goods.
If a person has been flagged for whatever reason then can be held till all necessary measures are taken. In this case it was confusion of a known criminal, citizen or not you can be detained
At an airport, "international territory" refers to the sterile areas (airside) where you're in transit and haven't cleared the destination country's immigration yet, but you're still technically within that country's sovereignty; the processing involves immigration/passport control (entering the country), then customs (declaring goods) after baggage claim, often using biometrics and Trusted Traveler Programs like Global Entry for faster clearance, with different lanes (Green/Red) for declaring goods.
If a person has been flagged for whatever reason then can be held till all necessary measures are taken. In this case it was confusion of a known criminal, citizen or not you can be detained
Posted on 12/16/25 at 5:34 pm to 4cubbies
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It is an extraordinary and dangerous expansion of government power that should concern anyone who travels internationally, especially Americans who assume their constitutional rights follow them home.
Yeah, I'm not surprised and I'm not surprised when dems let millions of people into our country.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 5:53 pm to Gifman
Peoples Internet history was being scrutinized during the Biden administration?
Posted on 12/16/25 at 6:41 pm to 4cubbies
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The blind trust of the government is horrifying.
But amazing that everyone trusts the government "they voted for."
I don't trust any government -- don't care who runs it.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 7:15 pm to 4cubbies
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LINK
Its better than the alternative, which is the murder and rape of innocent Americans.
Posted on 12/16/25 at 7:19 pm to djsdawg
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Its better than the alternative, which is the murder and rape of innocent Americans.
Can you connect those dots for me? The only options are suspicionless detention or rape and murder?
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